Thread: marijuana and dreaming

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs.

Yeah, ExoByte explained it well. If there's less REM sleep, it follows that there'd be less dreaming...though an idea would be to..get stoned earlier in the night and hope for a REM rebound...after such a lack of dreaming, perhaps towards morning you'd notice much more vivid dreams...Hmm...that in combination with sleep deprivation, pulling an all nighter and smoking this little happy weed before bed could give some killer dreams..though I don't suggest that stuff Yes I do.

Sorry for getting off topic but yes, on the whole, MJ will lessen dreaming.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs.

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen.

It still exhibits a number of qualities, one of them being depressant. Whether it falls into the Hallucinogenic category or not is irrelevant because even if it exhibits hallucinogenic qualities, it also exhibits depressant qualities which is what is important in this discussion. What cannot be denied no matter what category it falls into is that it suppresses REM sleep. This is a tested and studied fact.

So if you want to be politically correct fine, but it changes nothing.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

It still exhibits a number of qualities, one of them being depressant. Whether it falls into the Hallucinogenic category or not is irrelevant because even if it exhibits hallucinogenic qualities, it also exhibits depressant qualities which is what is important in this discussion. What cannot be denied no matter what category it falls into is that it suppresses REM sleep. This is a tested and studied fact.

So if you want to be politically correct fine, but it changes nothing.

It's chill dude, I was just being an ass for ass's reason. Sorry I didn't mean to affend.

For me it's far to hallucinogenic to sleep with. I find myself walking in a dream as soon as my eye close. It's too intence, and never real enough for me to want to explore. I never could get to sleep wile "high" however, as soon as it wears off it knocks me out (well used to, now I just get up and do shit so I don't get tierd). And I wake up the next morning remembering nothing of sleep.

I think it, atleast for me, supresses to much to remember anything vivid. I remember a few dreams over the years (when I slept after it). Vivid colors but nothing more, no interactions with people, no landscapes. Just colors.

Marijuana isn't really a depressent. When you first smoke, it takes a while for you to get to your peak high. Usually about 15-30 mins depending on the amount and the method, and during this time your usually not tired or sleepy. Once the weed starts to wear off you start to feel something called 'burn out' where you get really tired and sleepy. Most likely due to accelerated heart rate for an extended amount of time.

As for suppressing REM sleep, I'm not so sure again. THC affects your short term memory, so its probable that you are having dreams and just cant remember. Sometimes I can get high and still remember dreams, but that just comes with tolerance.

It really depends on the strain of the marijuana. You see cannabis is like wine there are many flavors and variety's, Sativas have more THC than CBD's and tend to have more of a psychedelic "upper" energetic quality to them while Indica's tend to have more CBD's than THC causing a more narcotic depressant high.

Marijuana is considered a mild hallucinogen with depressent properties. So, you are both right. You can find that information anyhwere on the web to back it up.

burnouts more than just being tired because of a period of accelerated heartbeat when ur high but also your body going through a disposal process of thc which, no matter how many times u smoke weed, your body tries to rid itself of the foreign matter
your serotonin levels drop after a peak of increase demand due to THC acting as a competative inhibitor---if anything, i cant see THC disturbing dream recall unless ur hitting the bong like cheech n chong right b4 bed---smoke in a controlled matter and try to do it at the same time, making it an easy pattern for your body to follow--and dont forget to keep a positive mindstate about blazing b4 bed--u'd be surprised how powerful the mind is at altering your bodys perception of thc intake

Originally Posted by kogatojr

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen.

Actually, cannabis falls under a number of various classifications- coming from what you said, this is understandable, in some ways it can even act as a stimulant.

I get lucids when stoned. Is it just me?

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed...

If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something.

Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

Originally Posted by LucidFreedoM

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed...

If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something.

Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

Man you can hallucinate from smokin weed.

You just gotta smoke a lot. Not in joints.. make a big bath bong 'a waterfall'

Have like 4 of them.

You can hallucinate with like coloured dots everywhere smiler to shrooms.

Also my mate and I were so stoned.. I was talkin to him for about 3hours and jerking my body and speech kinda like body popping very little with every movement to fuck with his head.. he was so fucked and tripping he thought it was him. lmfao his reaction when I told him what I had been doing.

But yeah

you can trip. Just gotta smoke it differently. Or eat it.

Originally Posted by Lunica

Man you can hallucinate from smokin weed.

You just gotta smoke a lot. Not in joints.. make a big bath bong 'a waterfall'

Have like 4 of them.

You can hallucinate with like coloured dots everywhere smiler to shrooms.

Also my mate and I were so stoned.. I was talkin to him for about 3hours and jerking my body and speech kinda like body popping very little with every movement to fuck with his head.. he was so fucked and tripping he thought it was him. lmfao his reaction when I told him what I had been doing.

But yeah

you can trip. Just gotta smoke it differently. Or eat it.

Weed isn't an hallucinogen lol. Unless it is laced with PCP or something then it will not cause you to hallucinate. It impairs your vision causing blurriness and distorting your perspective of objects.. Vision impairment and hallucinating a 2 totally different things.

Hallucinating is seeing things that aren't really there... as to where vision impairment is your perspective has just become distorted. seeing colored dots would fall under vision impairment. You can stare at a tv screen for a minute then blink your eyes and see colored dots and shit like that. lol




Everybody who thinks they can hallucinate of weed either doesn't know the difference between hallucinating and vision impairment or was smoking weed laced with something else.

Originally Posted by LucidFreedoM

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed...

If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something.

Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

you never had the chance to hit a bowl of some fine ass dank when you had a low tolerance... shit's like acid man. now, hell no i don't see a damn thing but when i first started i straight up SAW SHIT. and no it wasn't fuckin laced.

Originally Posted by lysergic

you never had the chance to hit a bowl of some fine ass dank when you had a low tolerance... shit's like acid man. now, hell no i don't see a damn thing but when i first started i straight up SAW SHIT. and no it wasn't fuckin laced.

I agree.. you smoke enough good shit it can be like acid.

I ate a load of space brownies..

man

I tripped out to f*ck

Cat stared me out and turned into something so fuckin creepy.. I threw her out and called my mate up.. couldn't stay at home for like a week. Kept falling backwards until I was going round in a circle.. man

was trippeh lol

Animals know when your caned

Originally Posted by lysergic

you never had the chance to hit a bowl of some fine ass dank when you had a low tolerance... shit's like acid man. now, hell no i don't see a damn thing but when i first started i straight up SAW SHIT. and no it wasn't fuckin laced.

Man ive been the highest of highs when my tolerance was low, with the dankest weed. Ive been so ripped I couldnt comprehend what was going on. And yes, I have definately seen shit too when I was high. One time when I was walking home, I looked over my shoulder and I swear to god I saw the virgin mary standing on the side of the road. I saw squirrels running at me in the dark once too. I also swear this one time I saw trails of light and flashing strobes around the traffic lights when I walked home. I was tripping balls. Your not yourself when your super super baked. Sometimes cant even control whats going on. All your logical thinking is usually gone too.
You cant hallucinate. Your just tripping balls.
If you've done shrooms you know what a hallucination is.

And to the person above your post..sounds like you were just tripping balls over your cat. Definately done that before. I hate that spinning feeling though too. If its the same as mine when im super super baked. Like your constantly falling backwards, and if you were to fall backwards it sort of feels like you'd spin all the way around? Weird, in your gut, sorta feeling.

Also, I swear to god my dog knows when im ripped. Lol.

ur 100 percent right...marijuana will not cause you to hallucinate no matter how much you smoke....if ur seeing shit then u better check up on ur diet and ensure your eating right and getting enoguh water into you as smoking in general will weaken your body
theres so many factors that could cause hallucinations but thc is definantly not one of them----its a competative inhibitor and nothing else----u may be confusing a mushroom trip

"Data from Isbell et a]. (1967) and Perez-Reyes et al. (1971) have indicated that the hallucinogenic oral dose is in the range of 0.4 to 0.5 mg./kg Delta 9 THC. Thus, the hallucinogenic dose is 80 times larger than the delivered dose of smoked marihuana producing minimal subjective effects (five micrograms/kg.) or about 11 to 14 times larger than the usual smoked dose."

Any experienced weed user knows you can get hallucinogenic effects from a large oral or possibly smoked dose. For some it is difficult to smoke enough to produce significant hallucinogenic effects, so an oral dose is the best way.

Too many unexperienced people associate hallucinogens with seeing animate unreal visual hallucinations. In reality most common hallucinogens start with internal effects, and you don't get any intense visuals until you take a relatively high dose. Like mushrooms, you typically won't get strong visuals unless you eat more than 7-10 gs, yet many people can still have an enjoyable moderate trip with 1.5-2 gs.

Originally Posted by Gianluca

ur 100 percent right...marijuana will not cause you to hallucinate no matter how much you smoke....if ur seeing shit then u better check up on ur diet and ensure your eating right and getting enoguh water into you as smoking in general will weaken your body
theres so many factors that could cause hallucinations but thc is definantly not one of them----its a competative inhibitor and nothing else----u may be confusing a mushroom trip

Not entirely true, a small percentage 2% hallucinate with cannabis alone, I've hallucinated a few rare times, and I know they were real because of my psychedelic experiences.

Originally Posted by http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION
Intoxicant; Stimulant; Psychedelic; Depressant

If you argue with erowid, well thats just really ignorant.

Also, get stoned and sober up before you go to sleep, it makes your dreams a lot better, for me anyways.

Originally Posted by http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml

The primary effects sought by those using cannabis recreationally are euphoria, relaxation, and changes in perception. Effects vary depending on dosage, with effects at low doses including a sense of well-being, mild enhancement of senses (smell, taste, hearing), subtle changes in thought and expression, talkativeness, giggling, increased appreciation of music, increased appetite, and mild closed-eye visuals. At higher doses, sense of time is altered, attention span and memory are frequently affected, and thought processes and mental perception may be significantly altered.

I have never had any encounters with anyone getting "way to paranoid" while smoking weed, or having people sitting in a corner talking to themselves, that sounds like some mom propaganda to try and stop there kids from smoking weed.
If you are hallucinating or getting overly paranoid while smoking weed, I suggest you get your mental health evaluated because that sounds pretty fucked up to me.


as for "seeing shit" when your high...

Has anyone tried Salvia Divinorum? Fucking amazing, hands down. I smoked it yesterday around 7ish, and I had an amazing high. My dreams last night were so vivid... it was like nothing ever before.

Originally Posted by a1112

I have never had any encounters with anyone getting "way to paranoid" while smoking weed, or having people sitting in a corner talking to themselves, that sounds like some mom propaganda to try and stop there kids from smoking weed.

Did you know that paranoia is a side effect of every single drug?

My uncle used to smoke all the time and quit for that very reason. He made an exception when the movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas came out, and asked me to go and bring a joint. He was SOOOO paranoid while we were waiting in line to get in, it was pretty funny.

I suspect it has to do with tolerance issues. A newb smoking with chronics is just going to get knocked on his ass every time. The herb today is considerably better than in his day.


I tried an extract of the Diviner's Sage, a free sample my brother had order for me (How thoughtful). Never got anything off it after a couple rounds of mixing it in with my "fluffy green bunnies" and never bothered to finish it. Possibly I never heated it enough. A lot of the reports here on it's effects are very contrary to my own (limited) experiences, and with the research I did on it (which I admit was almost 10 years ago).

The majority of the trip reports at the time said it's effects were barely noticeable, and it was best if you sat in a dimly lit room with trippy mood music to notice any effects at all.

Same with the amanita variety of mushroom commonly depicted in alice and wonderland with the hookah smoking caterpillar. They are commonly thought to be potent, but they're not. I don't recommend them at all. At best they make a slight dreamy feeling, but they are usually full of worms. Leave them in a plastic bag overnight and they all crawl out. If only I would have known that the day before... But I did have a theory that the potency might be linked to how deep the color of the mushroom was. The ones I found were pretty pale due to the worms (and pure white ones are unimaginably deadly, don't mess with things you don't know about)

Originally Posted by Lunica

I get lucids when stoned. Is it just me?

I find that if its mids then I just pass the fuck out but if it's some kush or dank then I have some amazing dreams and I can remember them very clearly.

I am not much of a lucid dreamer yet and am just starting to break through but I feel I am very close!

Originally Posted by kogatojr

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen.

im pretty sure its not a hallucinogen--but a psychoactive protein
although it could be classified in the same group--just a really weak version as theres very little to no hallucinations when ur baked---it simply disturbs your sleep cycle especially during REM which is the cycle where your dreams are most vivid...as well as 'burn out' probably occurs right in the middle of sleep causing memory loss so in the end you could be having vivid dreams...just to fucked to remmeber the next morning