marijuana and dreaming

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Originally Posted by kogatojr

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen.

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im pretty sure its not a hallucinogen--but a psychoactive protein
although it could be classified in the same group--just a really weak version as theres very little to no hallucinations when ur baked---it simply disturbs your sleep cycle especially during REM which is the cycle where your dreams are most vivid...as well as 'burn out' probably occurs right in the middle of sleep causing memory loss so in the end you could be having vivid dreams...just to fucked to remmeber the next morning

burnouts more than just being tired because of a period of accelerated heartbeat when ur high but also your body going through a disposal process of thc which, no matter how many times u smoke weed, your body tries to rid itself of the foreign matter
your serotonin levels drop after a peak of increase demand due to THC acting as a competative inhibitor---if anything, i cant see THC disturbing dream recall unless ur hitting the bong like cheech n chong right b4 bed---smoke in a controlled matter and try to do it at the same time, making it an easy pattern for your body to follow--and dont forget to keep a positive mindstate about blazing b4 bed--u'd be surprised how powerful the mind is at altering your bodys perception of thc intake

ur 100 percent right...marijuana will not cause you to hallucinate no matter how much you smoke....if ur seeing shit then u better check up on ur diet and ensure your eating right and getting enoguh water into you as smoking in general will weaken your body
theres so many factors that could cause hallucinations but thc is definantly not one of them----its a competative inhibitor and nothing else----u may be confusing a mushroom trip

"Data from Isbell et a]. (1967) and Perez-Reyes et al. (1971) have indicated that the hallucinogenic oral dose is in the range of 0.4 to 0.5 mg./kg Delta 9 THC. Thus, the hallucinogenic dose is 80 times larger than the delivered dose of smoked marihuana producing minimal subjective effects (five micrograms/kg.) or about 11 to 14 times larger than the usual smoked dose."

Any experienced weed user knows you can get hallucinogenic effects from a large oral or possibly smoked dose. For some it is difficult to smoke enough to produce significant hallucinogenic effects, so an oral dose is the best way.

Too many unexperienced people associate hallucinogens with seeing animate unreal visual hallucinations. In reality most common hallucinogens start with internal effects, and you don't get any intense visuals until you take a relatively high dose. Like mushrooms, you typically won't get strong visuals unless you eat more than 7-10 gs, yet many people can still have an enjoyable moderate trip with 1.5-2 gs.

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Originally Posted by Gianluca

ur 100 percent right...marijuana will not cause you to hallucinate no matter how much you smoke....if ur seeing shit then u better check up on ur diet and ensure your eating right and getting enoguh water into you as smoking in general will weaken your body
theres so many factors that could cause hallucinations but thc is definantly not one of them----its a competative inhibitor and nothing else----u may be confusing a mushroom trip

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Not entirely true, a small percentage 2% hallucinate with cannabis alone, I've hallucinated a few rare times, and I know they were real because of my psychedelic experiences.

I know for an actual fact that just because you take a drug with a specific set of "Base" effects, DOES NOT mean you will necessarily experience all or any of those effects. I have 2 friends that act completely different when they smoke weed, and it varies greatly in the amount of the dose.

Friend 1: After a small hit- Extremely talkative, jittery, and forgetful. After a large hit- Extremely paranoid, talks to herself, cowers in a corner not moving a single muscle for hours.

Friend 2: After a small hit- Does not talk, decreased mobility, general weed effects.
After a large hit- Excessive sweating, says that things are 'moving', loss of touch with reality.

In my experience, I can safely say that I have done some stupid things in the past that had led me to hallucinate on weed. If you wish to disprove me, that is alright, I know what happened to me.

Yea, well your right, everyone reacts differently...heck I react different every time I smoke myself.

Sometimes I get hyper and dance around the house, like a big sissy dance haha...its funny, and really enjoyable.

Sometimes I get sleepy and tired and paranoid and I keep thinking something bad might happen.

Sometimes I get euphoric and just lay on the bed for 3 hours staring at the ceiling


I personally love the hyper stoned, and the stoned where you can sit on a bed and stare at a wall for 2 hours content.

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Originally Posted by punkstar

sounds like a lot of you guys are shitty stoners... hahaha jk. but if someone says thay see dots and meltin colors like they just took shrooms, then LET EM see the dots. like i said. i dont like u dreamer's UN-open-mindedness when it comes to the greatest drug of all mankind. =p no hard feelings to anybody BTW.

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Say what? Your comment has left me wondering wether you are pro marijuana or anti marijuana.
Either way here's my own experience with Marijuana and Dreaming. Generally I experience negative effects on my Dreamrecall HOWEVER sometimes it seems to intensely potentiate my dreams' vividness. I have found out that smoking hash ( having become a hashsmoker for abt. 2 years ) has much more desirable effects. Often I have really psychedelicly enhanced dreams on hash and plenty of recall. Even if I go to sleep stoned as stoned could be from hash I'll still have as much recall as I'll have in aperiod of non smoking. Sometimes it even seems to enhance the vividness.

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Originally Posted by SKA

Say what? Your comment has left me wondering wether you are pro marijuana or anti marijuana.
Either way here's my own experience with Marijuana and Dreaming. Generally I experience negative effects on my Dreamrecall HOWEVER sometimes it seems to intensely potentiate my dreams' vividness. I have found out that smoking hash ( having become a hashsmoker for abt. 2 years ) has much more desirable effects. Often I have really psychedelicly enhanced dreams on hash and plenty of recall. Even if I go to sleep stoned as stoned could be from hash I'll still have as much recall as I'll have in aperiod of non smoking. Sometimes it even seems to enhance the vividness.

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That is more or less the same as me. If I were to smoke within 3 hours or less of sleeping there is generally a 50% chance I won't remember any dreams. Another 15% that I will remember dreams, and the extra 35% chance that it will be a very long and vivid dream. Perhaps I will have to do some experiments on drug potency to dream recall as well as to vividness so I can get some more accurate percentiles.

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Originally Posted by lucid4sho

"Data from Isbell et a]. (1967) and Perez-Reyes et al. (1971) have indicated that the hallucinogenic oral dose is in the range of 0.4 to 0.5 mg./kg Delta 9 THC. Thus, the hallucinogenic dose is 80 times larger than the delivered dose of smoked marihuana producing minimal subjective effects (five micrograms/kg.) or about 11 to 14 times larger than the usual smoked dose."

Any experienced weed user knows you can get hallucinogenic effects from a large oral or possibly smoked dose. For some it is difficult to smoke enough to produce significant hallucinogenic effects, so an oral dose is the best way.

Too many unexperienced people associate hallucinogens with seeing animate unreal visual hallucinations. In reality most common hallucinogens start with internal effects, and you don't get any intense visuals until you take a relatively high dose. Like mushrooms, you typically won't get strong visuals unless you eat more than 7-10 gs, yet many people can still have an enjoyable moderate trip with 1.5-2 gs.

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Ok true enough i guess it has hallucinogenic properties...but so little--
explain the 'internal' effects cuz i still dont follow on that
i associate hallucinations with any unreal visual/sound/ or any unreal perception(closing your eyes and seeing shit doesnt count)

Hallucinogens alter more than just visual/auditory perception. They greatly alter your thoughts/emotions, often long before you take a dose high enough to cause exceptional visual hallucination. I agree thc should not be categorized as a hallucinogen because lots of drugs like opiates/hypnotics/anesthetics/etc.. can have hallucinogenic type effects. Most hallucinogens work indirectly by triggering the brain to induce the state, so other drugs can do the same, you can trigger similar states with meditation, or of course while sleeping.

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Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Hallucinogens alter more than just visual/auditory perception. They greatly alter your thoughts/emotions, often long before you take a dose high enough to cause exceptional visual hallucination. I agree thc should not be categorized as a hallucinogen because lots of drugs like opiates/hypnotics/anesthetics/etc.. can have hallucinogenic type effects. Most hallucinogens work indirectly by triggering the brain to induce the state, so other drugs can do the same, you can trigger similar states with meditation, or of course while sleeping.

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The terms hallucinogen, entheogen and Psychedelic are somewhat confusing sometimes.

As I see it:
-Hallucinogen is a drug that causes hallucinations
-Psychedelic: meaning "Mind Manifest" is a Drug that causes an altered perception with Psychological effects and Cognitive changes. Hallucinations may or may not be present( LSAcontaining morning glory and Hawaiian babywoodrose seeds)
-Entheogen: Meaning to "Generate the God Within" is another word for Psychedelic, because people often Relate Psychedelic to Psychosis and Psychopath and thus giving it a bad vibe. Hallucinations may or may not be present.

LSD = Psychedelic Hallucinogen
Psilocybin Mushrooms = Psychedelic Hallucinogen
LSA seeds = Psychedelic/Sedative
Mescaline(Peyote,SanPedro) = Psychedelic Hallucinogen/Stimulant
DMT = Psychedelic Hallucinogen/Portal to the Other side
Salvia = Psychedelic Hallucinogen/Portal to the Other side
Marijuana = Psychedelic/Sedative/Minor Hallucinogen

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Originally Posted by SKA

The terms hallucinogen, entheogen and Psychedelic are somewhat confusing sometimes.

As I see it:
-Hallucinogen is a drug that causes hallucinations
-Psychedelic: meaning "Mind Manifest" is a Drug that causes an altered perception with Psychological effects and Cognitive changes. Hallucinations may or may not be present( LSAcontaining morning glory and Hawaiian babywoodrose seeds)
-Entheogen: Meaning to "Generate the God Within" is another word for Psychedelic, because people often Relate Psychedelic to Psychosis and Psychopath and thus giving it a bad vibe. Hallucinations may or may not be present.

LSD = Psychedelic Hallucinogen
Psilocybin Mushrooms = Psychedelic Hallucinogen
LSA seeds = Psychedelic/Sedative
Mescaline(Peyote,SanPedro) = Psychedelic Hallucinogen/Stimulant
DMT = Psychedelic Hallucinogen/Portal to the Other side
Salvia = Psychedelic Hallucinogen/Portal to the Other side
Marijuana = Psychedelic/Sedative/Minor Hallucinogen

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SKA, you must have been misinformed about several things.

You are right about the literal translation of Entheogen, I think that is the original definition, though these days entheogen is often used to describe any psychoactive drug sourced from a plant, plus there are many other definitions that have been proposed. The term is very unspecific and is not used as a medical drug classification.

Hallucinogen is a medical classification referring to a broad category of drugs that includes psychedelics, dissociatives, and deliriants. Some dissociatives are used as general anesthetics. Many deleriants have a multitude of medical uses and are frequently prescribed. Psychedelics are obviously not commonly used in medicine.

Psychedelics: LSD, LSA, psilocybin, etc..
Dissociatives: DMT, Ketamine, Nitrous Oxide, etc..
Deleriants: Tropanes(Atropine,scopalamine,hyoscamine,etc.), Dicyclomine, Benactyzine, etc..

Several of the deleriants called tropanes can cause extremely realistic hallucination, typically far beyond the average psychedelic experience. A common nightshade plant called datura contains high concentrations of tropanes in its seeds. I don't suggest trying them though because there are many serious risks involved.

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Originally Posted by Lunica

Man you can hallucinate from smokin weed.

You just gotta smoke a lot. Not in joints.. make a big bath bong 'a waterfall'

Have like 4 of them.

You can hallucinate with like coloured dots everywhere smiler to shrooms.

Also my mate and I were so stoned.. I was talkin to him for about 3hours and jerking my body and speech kinda like body popping very little with every movement to fuck with his head.. he was so fucked and tripping he thought it was him. lmfao his reaction when I told him what I had been doing.

But yeah

you can trip. Just gotta smoke it differently. Or eat it.

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Weed isn't an hallucinogen lol. Unless it is laced with PCP or something then it will not cause you to hallucinate. It impairs your vision causing blurriness and distorting your perspective of objects.. Vision impairment and hallucinating a 2 totally different things.

Hallucinating is seeing things that aren't really there... as to where vision impairment is your perspective has just become distorted. seeing colored dots would fall under vision impairment. You can stare at a tv screen for a minute then blink your eyes and see colored dots and shit like that. lol




Everybody who thinks they can hallucinate of weed either doesn't know the difference between hallucinating and vision impairment or was smoking weed laced with something else.

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Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Several of the deleriants called tropanes can cause extremely realistic hallucination, typically far beyond the average psychedelic experience. A common nightshade plant called datura contains high concentrations of tropanes in its seeds. I don't suggest trying them though because there are many serious risks involved.

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Datura and Atropine is poison.... anybody looking into using them to get high is an idiot.


i'd just rather pop a bunch of Nytol or Benadryl pills. Which isn't very smart to do either.lol Diphenhydramine... the main ingredient causes hallucinations in increased dosages.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

Weed isn't an hallucinogen lol. Unless it is laced with PCP or something then it will not cause you to hallucinate. It impairs your vision causing blurriness and distorting your perspective of objects.. Vision impairment and hallucinating a 2 totally different things.

Hallucinating is seeing things that aren't really there... as to where vision impairment is your perspective has just become distorted. seeing colored dots would fall under vision impairment. You can stare at a tv screen for a minute then blink your eyes and see colored dots and shit like that. lol




Everybody who thinks they can hallucinate of weed either doesn't know the difference between hallucinating and vision impairment or was smoking weed laced with something else.

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I know the difference... I have taken a lot of shrooms and acid.. I know what hallucinating is.


http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=33


seeing florescent dots everywhere and spinning lines around the room is hallucinating if you ask me.

try smoking a lot till your jaw is shakin.. you will trip out then.


You can hallucinate from sleep deprivation. Smoking weed and trippin out aint that far fetched.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

Datura and Atropine is poison.... anybody looking into using them to get high is an idiot.


i'd just rather pop a bunch of Nytol or Benadryl pills. Which isn't very smart to do either.lol Diphenhydramine... the main ingredient causes hallucinations in increased dosages.

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Atropine is an alkaloid that occurs in datura and other nightshade plants. Atropine is very frequently used medicinally. Its NOT a poison. It is toxic, but every drug is to some degree. There are several other drugs in nightshade plants that are more responsible for the deleriant effects than Atropine. Traditionally they are used as an adjunct to hallucinogenic concoctions, rather than used by themselves, this potentially helps avoid side effects. I still don't recommend using them.

Diphenhydramine is incomparable to the nightshade deleriants. Unless you take enough diphenhydramine to die, you are not going to see shit.

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Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Atropine is an alkaloid that occurs in datura and other nightshade plants. Atropine is very frequently used medicinally. Its NOT a poison. It is toxic, but every drug is to some degree. There are several other drugs in nightshade plants that are more responsible for the deleriant effects than Atropine. Traditionally they are used as an adjunct to hallucinogenic concoctions, rather than used by themselves, this potentially helps avoid side effects. I still don't recommend using them.

Diphenhydramine is incomparable to the nightshade deleriants. Unless you take enough diphenhydramine to die, you are not going to see shit.

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It is highly toxic man.... That is why I am calling it a poison. I know people personally that have used it and what it did to them.



Diphenhydramine is comparable with the exception of it is much safer. You don't have to take too large of a dose to see anything you can take 3x the recommended dosage and have a trip on it.... and 3x the recommended dosage will not kill you.

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Originally Posted by Lunica

I know the difference... I have taken a lot of shrooms and acid.. I know what hallucinating is.


http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=33


seeing florescent dots everywhere and spinning lines around the room is hallucinating if you ask me.

try smoking a lot till your jaw is shakin.. you will trip out then.


You can hallucinate from sleep deprivation. Smoking weed and trippin out aint that far fetched.

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Jaw shaking?? Wtf are smoking meth?

Seeing seeing florescent dots everywhere and spinning lines isn't hallucinating. That is just your vision being distorted. My father is an Optometrist... I have had this discussion many times with him. Seeing objects and hearing sounds that aren't really there are hallucinations. Seeing dots, lines shapes blurriness is all symptoms of vision impairment.


Yes I know you can hallucinate from sleep deprivation....... but you are really off base to be comparing sleep deprivation to smoking weed.:?


Believe what you want to.... if you think you're hallucinating more power to you. Just ask yourself if it is really sherm you're smoking.

In my experiences I've had crazy dreams after smoking, but whether i remember them or not is the problem. Maybe you just don't think you're dreaming cause you can't remember them. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

It is highly toxic man.... That is why I am calling it a poison. I know people personally that have used it and what it did to them.


Diphenhydramine is comparable with the exception of it is much safer. You don't have to take too large of a dose to see anything you can take 3x the recommended dosage and have a trip on it.... and 3x the recommended dosage will not kill you.

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I'm not arguing they are not toxic, just that its possible to dose below a significantly toxic level. I've used multiple nightshade plants which all contain several tropane alkaloids, sometimes in conjunction with other hallucinogens. I've felt the toxic side effects at high doses, but I've also used small amounts as an adjunct with very good results and no side effects.

You got to be kidding me about the diphenhydramine. I used to take 4x the recommended dose for a runny nose, it makes me a little sleepy and thats it. If you are tripping off a few benadryl then you are either unbelievably sensitive to drugs or something is seriously out of whack with you. No matter how much a normal person takes they would reach unbearable side effects/sleep/or death long before they started tripping in a way even slightly comparable to a tropane trip.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

Seeing seeing florescent dots everywhere and spinning lines isn't hallucinating. That is just your vision being distorted.

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I agree with you here. Visual distortion is definitely not hallucination.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

Jaw shaking?? Wtf are smoking meth?

Seeing seeing florescent dots everywhere and spinning lines isn't hallucinating. That is just your vision being distorted. My father is an Optometrist... I have had this discussion many times with him. Seeing objects and hearing sounds that aren't really there are hallucinations. Seeing dots, lines shapes blurriness is all symptoms of vision impairment.


Yes I know you can hallucinate from sleep deprivation....... but you are really off base to be comparing sleep deprivation to smoking weed.:?


Believe what you want to.... if you think you're hallucinating more power to you. Just ask yourself if it is really sherm you're smoking.

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bahahaha

I didn't mean jaw meant ya lips.. when you exhale..

meth lol

well I ain't done it for ages.. I had got it a few times from smoking loads of bath bongs.

but yeah now I don't have that.

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Originally Posted by http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION
Intoxicant; Stimulant; Psychedelic; Depressant

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If you argue with erowid, well thats just really ignorant.

Also, get stoned and sober up before you go to sleep, it makes your dreams a lot better, for me anyways.

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Originally Posted by http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml

The primary effects sought by those using cannabis recreationally are euphoria, relaxation, and changes in perception. Effects vary depending on dosage, with effects at low doses including a sense of well-being, mild enhancement of senses (smell, taste, hearing), subtle changes in thought and expression, talkativeness, giggling, increased appreciation of music, increased appetite, and mild closed-eye visuals. At higher doses, sense of time is altered, attention span and memory are frequently affected, and thought processes and mental perception may be significantly altered.

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I have never had any encounters with anyone getting "way to paranoid" while smoking weed, or having people sitting in a corner talking to themselves, that sounds like some mom propaganda to try and stop there kids from smoking weed.
If you are hallucinating or getting overly paranoid while smoking weed, I suggest you get your mental health evaluated because that sounds pretty fucked up to me.


as for "seeing shit" when your high... :arrow:

Has anyone tried Salvia Divinorum? Fucking amazing, hands down. I smoked it yesterday around 7ish, and I had an amazing high. My dreams last night were so vivid... it was like nothing ever before.

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Originally Posted by a1112

I have never had any encounters with anyone getting "way to paranoid" while smoking weed, or having people sitting in a corner talking to themselves, that sounds like some mom propaganda to try and stop there kids from smoking weed.

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Did you know that paranoia is a side effect of every single drug?

My uncle used to smoke all the time and quit for that very reason. He made an exception when the movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas came out, and asked me to go and bring a joint. He was SOOOO paranoid while we were waiting in line to get in, it was pretty funny.

I suspect it has to do with tolerance issues. A newb smoking with chronics is just going to get knocked on his ass every time. The herb today is considerably better than in his day.


I tried an extract of the Diviner's Sage, a free sample my brother had order for me (How thoughtful). Never got anything off it after a couple rounds of mixing it in with my "fluffy green bunnies" and never bothered to finish it. Possibly I never heated it enough. A lot of the reports here on it's effects are very contrary to my own (limited) experiences, and with the research I did on it (which I admit was almost 10 years ago).

The majority of the trip reports at the time said it's effects were barely noticeable, and it was best if you sat in a dimly lit room with trippy mood music to notice any effects at all.

Same with the amanita variety of mushroom commonly depicted in alice and wonderland with the hookah smoking caterpillar. They are commonly thought to be potent, but they're not. I don't recommend them at all. At best they make a slight dreamy feeling, but they are usually full of worms. Leave them in a plastic bag overnight and they all crawl out. If only I would have known that the day before... But I did have a theory that the potency might be linked to how deep the color of the mushroom was. The ones I found were pretty pale due to the worms (and pure white ones are unimaginably deadly, don't mess with things you don't know about)