Thread: Why dream experience is fundamental and so very important

trolls can be entertaining. they're always some fools willing to continue arguing with them.

he ain't the only one laughing

I don't think frank is a troll

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

I don't think frank is a troll

You could be right. I've been at a relative's home. I like looking at the books people have. This person had a book that touched spiritual topics. I feel like I am well versed in that topic but when I was reading it, nothing made sense because the writer was using a vocabulary of his own that the audience could not possibly know. So, this kind of author definitely can succeed at publishing.

(I like his use of underlining and bolding and such. It does make the chaos more organized for me...!)

Dreams make thought MORE LIKE sensory experience in general, thereby improving upon memory and UNDERSTANDING. This matches the following great truth: The ability of thought to DESCRIBE or reconfigure sensory experience is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sensory experience. Accordingly, dreams can be DESCRIBED AND UNDERSTOOD in a true, deep, fundamental, and simple fashion. We know that dream experience and waking experience are fundamentally related and fundamentally linked.

Dream experience is separate from waking experience. The manifestation that is (and that involves) our growth and becoming other than you are is fundamentally and ultimately linked with this waking experience, and yet it may be held to constitute a separate entity as well. Accordingly, in dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are; as dream experience is fundamentally linked with and separate from our waking experience. Dream experience links and balances our waking experience with the manifestation that is (and that involves) our growth and becoming other than we are. This is why the dream experience and our waking experience are linked and separate. (Note that our growth and becoming other than we are was necessarily ongoing/continuous. Dream experience grows/increases. Our growth and becoming other than we are necessarily involves a transcendent and overall mastery of physics/physical experience.)

By Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

I would like to seek pardon for my last post, Author Frank Martin Dimeglio.

Although, I don't necessarily agree with all you said in that last post of yours, it was clear and the vocabulary you used was accessible to the kind of public you would attract. I do congratulate you on having improved your writing, if it ever was a problem; maybe I just didn't read your former posts well enough to find the parts where you gave definitions for the words that you invented to describe your view.

As for your post, it is well thought-out. It is not intuitive for me to think that dream experience is the balance between waking experience and inner growth, but I can imagine that it could be true. To me, it feels more like inner growth is the consequence of both waking and dream experiences. But maybe you're right, maybe we dream about the aspects of our waking experience that have the potential and are in the process of making us grow as individuals.

Actually, I have been think about this for a while, thinking that expectations cannot account for even half of what happens in my dreams, as most people seem to say. Maybe the other factor that affects what we dream about is the growth that we are experiencing in waking life. This could be used as a dream control technique in conjunction with expectation. For example, if you want to visit Egypt, before you intend to go there in your dream before falling asleep, you can also find a way that this would correlate with your growth in waking life. For example, if you are now in the process of becoming more open minded, you could intend to go to Egypt in your dream to become more open-minded to the ancient Egyptian's views.

I will definitely need to continue thinking about this Author Frank Martin Dimeglio, thank you for that insight!

SEE MY PRIOR POST (#230)....This is perfectly clear to all of us now. I am the first person to CLEARLY and definitively prove what dreams are. Moreover, I have clearly proven why (AND that) dream experience would, AND does, theoretically, ultimately, actually, fundamentally, and naturally unify physics/physical experience. It all makes sense. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams. Dreams involve fundamentally and ultimately equivalent and balanced gravity, electromagnetism, and inertia. I have proven this. (This involves, and is, true/real quantum gravity as well.)

Indeed, the unification of physics/physical experience MATCHES my other proof/statement regarding what dreams truly and really are. That is obvious.

Comments from everyone are welcome and encouraged please. Thanks. This is extremely important science news, to say the least. GREAT !

Go spread the word ! Let's advance the understanding people.

By Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

Go spread the word ! Let's advance the understanding people. o

Can we start with you?

I have three reactions to that comment....

1. What have I done...?



2. I am so important! My opinions are Law and my interest equals proof that everyone clearly understand the theoretical, ultimate, actual, fundamental, and natural truth of the world!



3. Maybe we should calm our egos down, Author Frank Martin Dimeglio...



(Thanks for the laugh, though)

Member George F. R. Ellis wrote on Sep. 16, 2012 @ 05:34 GMT

Dear Frank

Dreams are an outcome of physics, not the basis of physics.

"Dreams demonstrate quantum gravity. Dreams involve how a larger space is made smaller, and how a smaller space is made larger. Quantum gravity requires that opposites be combined and balanced. Inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing involves fundamentally balanced and equivalent attraction and repulsion and fundamentally stabilizes and balances distance in/of

space in conjunction with space manifesting as gravitational/ electromagnetic/inertial energy. Quantum gravity requires that space be both visible and invisible/not visible, in a balanced fashion. Here we unify and balance gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism. Quantum gravity requires that space be flattened/contracted and stretched/expanded in keeping with balanced and equivalent attraction and repulsion and gravitational/inertial/electromagnetic equivalency and

balancing. I have demonstrated all of this in/as dream experience."

You may have done so but no one else has. That's where the problem lies. Science is to do with reproducible phenomena that ca be used to derive laws independent of the human mind.

George

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The bold writing (in quotes) is what I had written....(Member George F. R. Ellis, who is a member of *Removed*, is quoting me.) You see where he then says: "You may have done so..." He is basically admitting to my unification of physics in/as dream experience. Isn't he?

In dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are; as dream experience is fundamentally linked with and separate from our waking experience. I have proven this. The physics proves it.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio
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The Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

^^ Shouldn't that read "The Author Frank Martin DiMeglio?" An edit may be needed.

Kudos to Frank's ego for assuming that Member George Ellis's polite dismissal of his theory is actually an admission of his brilliance; very impressive. And even greater kudos to Frank for finding a new way to cut and paste.

Well, it took me three posts to do it, but BINGO again. Thanks for at least making it a little harder this time.




Also, since this was too good to pass up...

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

You see where he then says: "You may have done so..." He is basically admitting to my unification of physics in/as dream experience. Isn't he?

This thread is like the new coke, it'll be around for ever.

shameless bill cosby reference, shit

think i might just start making really off topic posts so this thread finally gets locked, and they're all going to be as unfunny as this one. you better stop this now staff, don't make me do it! and i don't mean ban me, i mean close the thread ;(

sorry if im a bit intoxicated too lolol

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

You see where he then says: "You may have done so..." He is basically admitting to my unification of physics in/as dream experience. Isn't he?

Nope, you are wrong. Do you know why? Because you are not seeing reality as it is, you only see what you want to see, whatever is more convenient for you. Please, read it again.

"You may have done so but no one else has. That's where the problem lies. Science is to do with reproducible phenomena that ca be used to derive laws independent of the human mind."

If you can't see what George is actually saying, that would only mean you can't see further than the end of your own nose.

BINGO again.

Congratulations Spellbee2! You have just won first prize in the our speciall fundamental equilibrium-bingo! (this game is scientifically correct according to the fact that it is said to be true)

And here is a list of your prizes.

Five volumes of the most scientific and important books you can find in the universe:

1. The fundamental/equilibrium/invisible vision/inertia/ of becoming others than we are.
2. Invisible vision/equilibrium/of becoming others than we are/fundamentally.
3. Inertia/of becoming others than we are/equilibrium/Invisible vision/fundamentally.
4. Random fancy words for the fundamental help of becoming others than we are.
5. The fundamenal scientific truth BECAUSE THIS IS CLEAR BECAUSE I SAID SO.

And a extra speciall bonus prize with: 40 hours of private lessons in. "How to actually becoming others than we are in Inertia of equilibrium/in half gravity. FUNDAMENTALLY." (This lesson is 101,½% scientifically and fun-amentally approved by the University of troll-trollington in fully academically trollesty.)

And guys, remember to follow the main topic! So as a little reminder for those who tend to forget, here is the on-topic rules: Always use fundamentally and equilibrium at least once in every post! Always say that Frank is right no matter what! And most imortant of all guys, always-ignore-all-questions-and-posts-in-this-thread! (Even this post aswell)

In reply to the recent comments.

The following paragraph also proves why/that dream experience fundamentally unifies and balances physics/physical experience. Moreover, it proves that, in dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are.


It is a great truth/fact that the self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. Dream experience is FUNDAMENTALLY consistent with this most fundamental and great truth/fact. Indeed, if the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience, we would then be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are. Accordingly, in dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental [U]experience[/U] of our growth and becoming other than we are. Dreams balance being and experience. Dreams balance conscious and unconscious experience. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.

We now see that: If the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience, we would then be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are. This is fundamental to physics and to unification in physics. GREAT !

The physicists, in my extensive dealings with them, do not even attempt to refute or counter my unification of physics.

George F.R. Ellis says: "Dreams are an outcome of physics, not the basis of physics." And George F.R. Ellis also says: "But dreams can't be significant for how physics operates: its the other way round, in the end physics underlies dreams somehow because physics underlies the brain." Can anyone explain what this means? Also, look at what I have compared to this.

See my prior post no. 230. There is no getting around what I have presented here. The weight of evidence is more than sufficient.

Read all of my posts in this thread.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

^^ Um, Frank, when you write "In response to recent comments" at the head of your post, it's good to actually respond, rather than cut and past more of same. But, given that you are not reading any posts (probably not even your own), I guess this is the only response you can provide, huh?

[and yes, folks, I know I just asked yet another question with the full knowledge that Frank will not be reading it, much less answering it.]

The amount of evidence Frank is offering us is just the same as the amount of evidence provided by Aristotle when he used pure logic to say that two object with similar shape and volume but different mass will drop at different speeds.

Of course, Aristotle was proven wrong many centuries later, when they finally tried to drop two objects with said qualities at the same time.

Logic is not proof without empirical evidence. As dream can't provide empirical evidence to others, no one can prove anything related to them. Well, unless we use some fancy advanced technology from the future to measure brain activity or wathever.

Originally Posted by Suvid

The amount of evidence Frank is offering us is just the same as the amount of evidence provided by Aristotle when he used pure logic to say that two object with similar shape and volume but different mass will drop at different speeds.

Of course, Aristotle was proven wrong many centuries later, when they finally tried to drop two objects with said qualities at the same time.

Logic is not proof without empirical evidence. As dream can't provide empirical evidence to others, no one can prove anything related to them. Well, unless we use some fancy advanced technology from the future to measure brain activity or wathever.

Aristotle was right, as long as you're dropping the masses inside an atmosphere.

Eeeeeh?
Uhm, pardon me, but, I don't think that's correct. We are inside an atmosphere.

Occipitalred, you said: "To me, it feels more like inner growth is the consequence of both waking and dream experiences." Becoming "one with the music" is linked with the fact that emotion that is comprehensive and balanced advances consciousness. Considered overall and generally/fundamentally, the totality of dream experience is as similar to emotion as it is to thought. Our growth and becoming other than we are is fundamentally/significantly linked with our being conscious and alive. It has to be.

Dreams are not a creation of thought. Dreams are not the physics of the brain. These notions are ridiculous.

Have you ever heard about how the physicist Heisenberg found his "link with the center" and central order in physics -- when listening to Bach while attending a conference about the different understandings of physics. Read up on what he said about this. You will find it interesting. Beethoven's music is very deeply emotional in character, isn't it?

The composer Wagner got some of his very greatest and most sublime music, he said, directly from the dream.

Originally Posted by Suvid

Eeeeeh?
Uhm, pardon me, but, I don't think that's correct. We are inside an atmosphere.

Pardon you. You obviously haven't studied the physics of air resistance. Both acceleration and terminal velocity are higher for heavier objects, all else being equal (in other words, denser objects).

In dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. Dreams balance being and experience. Dreams balance conscious and unconscious experience. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.

If the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience, we would then be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are. This is fundamental to physics and to unification in physics; as dreams involve our being conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. Unconscious experience and conscious experience are thus fundamentally combined and balanced in conjunction with the experience of the middle distance in/of space. Notice that dream experience can be very reduced and subtle, or it can involve a maximum of half of the gravitational feeling and touch that is experienced at the feet/ground while waking and standing. Notice the balancing of being and experience. The great and important point here is that the unconscious manifestation that is/involves our growth and becoming other than we are in dreams fundamentally reduces and balances experience by and at half. Dreams fundamentally and ultimately link and balance conscious and unconscious experience.

The experience of the eye/body is both invisible and visible. That is a clear fact. There is a visible dome of the eye/body, and yet the visible experience of the eye/body is invisible as well. Vision (that means visible) begins invisibly inside the eye/body. That is a fact. This involves a fundamental balance of being and experience. (Notice that dream experience can be very reduced and subtle as well, although it is always that of the middle distance in/of space.) Bodily experience (including visual) is consistent with dream experience. The experience of space in/as dream experience is that of visible and invisible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance. That is the middle distance in/of space.

Originally Posted by cmind

Pardon you. You obviously haven't studied the physics of air resistance. Both acceleration and terminal velocity are higher for heavier objects, all else being equal (in other words, denser objects).

Ooooh, I see. I always thought air resistance only depended on shape. Like, a paper plane vs a paper ball.

But, yes, you are right, physics are not my forte. That's why I googled for various sources for confirmation before posting anything. Maybe I should have investigated further n_nU