Thread: Why dream experience is fundamental and so very important

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

I demand academic honesty in this matter. Guess what ? I am going to get it. You all will see.

Lol, not with that attitude.

I guess you missed my post. You have a condition. It's uhhh.. fundamentally important and stuff. Read back, man. People were trying to respond.

I'm not finished with your lessons.

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I have explained and fundamentally described what dreams are.

So what would be the next lesson if you already believe that you actually have explained it all?

Why would the administrators of this site dismiss this most important, fascinating, highly educational, and informative thread?

I think that should be your next big goal to pursue. But that task might be a even harder nut for you to crack Im afraid..

You can't discuss, dispute, or even begin to refute these facts/truths, can you? It is so much easier to be critical than correct. Discuss the facts, if you can.

Dream experience grows/increases, and dreams involve our growth and becoming other than we are. This FUNDAMENTAL form or manifestation necessarily morphs and changes in relation to our waking bodily experience.

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are. Accordingly, our growth and becoming other than we are necessarily, naturally, ultimately, and fundamentally constitutes us and our experience in dreams. INDEED, THERE IS NO OUTSMARTING THE GENIUS OF DREAMS. It is also clear that our growth and becoming other than we are was ongoing/continuous. (Also, dream experience grows/increases.)

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are. Accordingly, dream experience is fundamentally linked with (and fundamentally related to) waking experience; and yet the waking and dream experiences are separate experiences as well.

The idiotic and failed attempts to refute this are a joke. Where are they anyway? Attack Frank because you can't comprehend and handle the facts/truths?
What I have proven is clear. The ideas are the ideas. Discuss the ideas. That is real participation. What have the clowns on here come up with? Where are your ideas? What a joke ! It's pathetic. I know what I have here. It is great, and then some.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

The idiotic and failed attempts to refute this are a joke. Where are they anyway? Attack Frank because you can't comprehend and handle the facts/truths?
What I have proven is clear. The ideas are the ideas. Discuss the ideas. That is real participation. What have the clowns on here come up with? Where are your ideas? What a joke ! It's pathetic. I know what I have here. It is great, and then some.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

Frank, many members have tried to have a discussion with you in the past but you never replied or addressed any of their posts. Kind of hard to have a discussion like that.

If you want to have a discussion here then please do so in a calm manner. Insulting and disrespecting other members is not only not allowed but also won't make many people want to participate in your threads or try to understand your ideas.

8 years ago a great dream therapist posted online that "I had a metaphorical mind" which means, I think in stories.

Folks often say, online, that they have no idea what I'm trying to say. Like what folk are telling you.

I can't understand you because I think in stories and you don't explain in srories.

Do you dream Frank?

Some people never go into REM and therefore never dream.

If you can remember any dreams would you like to open a Dream Journal and publish some.

Here is the link, just press (+ Create DJ Entry) on the right hand side.

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http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/

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You can't discuss, dispute, or even begin to refute these facts/truths, can you?

Of course I cant, because there more made up facts by you than there are actual facts. If there now happen to be any facts left at all.

It is so much easier to be critical than correct.

This I actually agree with.

Discuss the facts, if you can.

The only facts that are worth discussing in this thread at the moment, is all the facts about that you dont fully explain or discuss your idea with others. People here who have tried to get some sense out of your ideas have given up long ago, since you stil havn't been able to recognize that your way of explaining is very limited and overcomplicated. The only main progress that is noticeable now in this thread, is that you have start to showing signs of that you have read and thought about a few posts made by other people here. So maybe the fact that this is a forum, have stared to sink in a little bit for you now, since you surprisingly have started to give some kind of respond atleast.

The idiotic and failed attempts to refute this are a joke. Where are they anyway? Attack Frank because you can't comprehend and handle the facts/truths?
What I have proven is clear. The ideas are the ideas. Discuss the ideas. That is real participation. What have the clowns on here come up with? Where are your ideas? What a joke ! It's pathetic. I know what I have here. It is great, and then some.

Frank I dont know if you are either mature enough for a honest opinion about your idea, but I guess that will show itself in your next post if you can handle an honest review. So here we go..

Dream experience grows/increases, and dreams involve our growth and becoming other than we are. This FUNDAMENTAL form or manifestation necessarily morphs and changes in relation to our waking bodily experience.

From what I have understood with your idea with all this, it is simply coming down to this.. It's what you clearly say here that dreams is what helps you to change and expand your mind. And I can agree with that, because I see dreams as something very helpful and important part of our life just as you do. So.. You wanted to discuss this you said. So I leave that part for you to prove, if you really meant what you stated. Im open for an honest discussion if you ar ready.

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

You can't discuss, dispute, or even begin to refute these facts/truths, can you? It is so much easier to be critical than correct. Discuss the facts, if you can.

Yeah, well, we can't, because you're the king of obfuscation.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Yeah, well, we can't, because you're the king of obfuscation.

Hi BLUELINE976

I went Youtube searching hoping to learn what Obfuscation means and found this gentle Youtube on it.

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Words Matter: Eschew Obfuscation, Espouse Elucida…: http://youtu.be/9Re6rbdgAd4

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Uploaded 14-April-2014

The language of security is replete with technical jargon, confusing acronyms, inconsistent terminology and negative phrases. Words matter. What we say and how we say it influences users, stakeholders and decision makers. In this session, we will examine the language of security and explore how we can make a positive change in our collective vocabulary.

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It is a wonderful 20 minute Youtube. I'll be looking at it again and maybe transcribe some of the best parts. I can use it's advice.

Thanx, (again) BLUELINE976, for posting something that got me researching and thinking and learning something.

Frank

This thread had 156 posts and 4,911 views when I did this calculation a couple of hours ago. I think one of the reasons your not banned from Dreamviews Forum is not only because you don't actually break forum rules

But

Also because a lot of (silent) members read this thread.

4,911÷156 =31.4807692308

You are averaging over 30 views per post. That is impressive.

This constitutes clear and convincing proof. Any reasonably intelligent person can understand this. I have added important concepts.

This forum has a professional obligation to advance credible, very important, fundamental/foundational, and extremely educational truths/facts. Stop the personal attacks and insults, and stop ignoring and avoiding these great truths/facts.

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are.

The manifestation that is (and that involves) our growth and becoming other than we are exists. It is real. That is undeniable. Dreams involve a fundamental and necessary/essential mastery of physics/physical experience. I have proven this.

Dream experience grows/increases, and dreams involve our growth and becoming other than we are. This FUNDAMENTAL form or manifestation necessarily morphs and changes in relation to our waking bodily experience. Consider the OVERALL experience/manifestation that is dream experience.

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are. Accordingly, our growth and becoming other than we are necessarily, naturally, ultimately, and fundamentally constitutes us and our experience in dreams. INDEED, THERE IS NO OUTSMARTING THE GENIUS OF DREAMS. It is also clear that our growth and becoming other than we are was ongoing/continuous. (Also, dream experience grows/increases.)

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are. Accordingly, dream experience is fundamentally linked with (and fundamentally related to) waking experience; and yet the waking and dream experiences are separate experiences as well.

Participants, do not be intimidated by the negative people and negative participation here. Questions and comments are most welcome. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS, AND WHY?

Notice that the critics here can't begin to, and they do not even attempt to, refute any of this. That is because it is correct and abundantly well proven. That is obvious.

Moreover, it is a fact that more of you now understand it as a result of this post. IN ANY EVENT, MANY PEOPLE DO AGREE WITH ME. WHAT I HAVE PRESENTED HERE IS CLEAR.

Participants, stop trying to criticize me. The ideas are what this thread is really about. We know this. Actually and really participate, or remain silent.
I KNOW HOW GREAT THIS TRULY IS. Talk facts or don't "participate".

It is quite clear that this thread is not being handled the way it should be. It is shameful, wrong, and bizarre.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

Frank, you are one strange cat, lol. I understand what you're saying every time you say it, but honestly I don't think anybody here disagrees with you. You learn in dreams like you learn in waking life, there is no disputing that. In this sense, dreams are as valuable as a resource for learning as anything else is. You live in your dreams and experience things, and grow. You live in your life, experience things, and grow. That much is understood. Dreams are a place where you make connections that you could otherwise not make in day-to-day life. You are too wrapped up in recent happenings to be able to see the big picture. When you go to sleep, your mind uncoils, a lot like defragmenting a hard-drive, it pulls it all in, it draws your experiences together and has you live them again, but this time without the barriers real life presents to you. You are in no real danger, because whatever happens to you, you will wake up in a normal body just fine. The ideas and concepts and thoughts running through your mind throughout the day are stored, and then they are played through again, including all the associations you have to those concepts ideas and thoughts, and when your mind finds coincidences, you have eureka moments, and you are capable of learning something. A lot of the time this process is entirely unconscious, and we don't realize it's happening, it's all a part of the way we store information in the long term. In other words, it's all about how we learn.

Questions and comments are most welcome. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS, AND WHY?

They are welcomed so they can be ignored? Seems logical.

Notice that the critics here can't begin to, and they do not even attempt to, refute any of this. That is because it is correct and abundantly well proven. That is obvious

. Also notice that if you give any attempt to get any response on questions and toughts, then just forget about it. Because everything said here is so obvious that any questions and thoughts will immediately make it obvious that you have missed out the obviousness about that everything is so obvious in this thread obviously! All that is said in this thread is actually so obvious that you obviously dont even need to ask or look or anything about this thread and have never ever even needed to do so to begin with. This is obviously obvious right?

Dream experience grows/increases, and dreams involve our growth and becoming other than we are.

You got to be the most suitable person to explain this to all us unkowing people that read your posts Frank, because you are obviously a great example of personal change..?

Participants, stop trying to criticize me. The ideas are what this thread is really about. We know this. Actually and really participate, or remain silent.
I KNOW HOW GREAT THIS TRULY IS. Talk facts or don't "participate".

I cant wait to participate in this non-existing discussion where we all, already know everything about what everyone are about to say before they say it, just because we all already know it all. I think that would make this into one of the most important discussion ever made here... I think? Ow yeah I almost forgot, dont forget to remain silent since you wont be able to participate in this very important non-existing discussion about what you already know since it is obvious to you... Oh man I think I need to give my brain a break, since I just glimpse of realization of how deep this is going to be..

I just got to say, that I feel smarter already, by all the reveled secret truths in this thread! There have never been any contradiction in your posts at all Frank, and that is what make them the truth! Maaan, Im so overwhelmed by all this important knowledge, that I dont even know what to do with it now. I feel like a professor now.

It is quite clear that this thread is not being handled the way it should be. It is shameful, wrong, and bizarre.

Hell yeah! Frank just chill and relax, I handle this for us.. NOW WHERE THE F*CK IS OUR NOBLE PRIZES!!! Someone got to be responsible for all this bizzareness, and start to take some resposibility and give us the fundamentally academically honesty in equlibirium to us! Cant a humble man like Frank and myself just get our prizes and worship from you lower minds that have been given the truths on a silverplate??? From our deepest humbleness in our heart, we DEMAND you lower minds to recognize the glorious truth that this man has given us in such a obvious and scientific manner!


...Frank now we got this maaan! The honor and glory will soon be ours! And there will be prizes Frank, PRIZES!!! Hihihihih

^^ That may be a post Frank might actually understand, DreamyBear... assuming of course that Frank reads posts that are not his...

^^ That may be a post Frank might actually understand, DreamyBear... assuming of course that Frank reads posts that are not his...

Yeah I hope so, he got to like something I assume. So I dive into the illogical-logic for some deeeep thinking.

Look, it gets even more bizarre: We agree with your ideas Frank. You are strange Frank. We still ignore and do not recognize or discuss your ideas Frank.

A quote from snoop regarding this thread and my ideas here: "I understand what you're saying every time you say it, but honestly I don't think anybody here disagrees with you." Wow !!!

Snoop, dreams are consistent with bodily experience (including visual) AND dreams balance being and experience. Dreams involve visible and invisible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance consistent with ultimately and fundamentally equivalent and balanced gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism. Snoop, you really are not discussing my ideas....the important ideas.

Dream experience is quantum gravity. Dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space. Dreams unify physics/physical experience, actually, theoretically, fundamentally, naturally, and ultimately.

What is really strange, truly bizarre, and delusional is inability to think Snoop....That is meant by saying someone is "out of it". These ideas are "with it" Snoop.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

I think Snoop summarized it very well so let's take a look at some of his statements again together, since you didn't dare to confront anything he said on your own.. wich could would lead to a potential discussion that you want or dont want maybe?

You live in your dreams and experience things, and grow. You live in your life, experience things, and grow. That much is understood.

This is pretty much the summarized point you want people to get. And he said what you wanted to say in one post, that are can easily be understod by other humans. Instead of personal cryptic language like you seems to prefer Frank. A easy way to start a discussion Frank, would be to begin to say If you agree or disagree with what has been stated in this quote. And then explain why or why not.

Dreams are a place where you make connections that you could otherwise not make in day-to-day life.

This is another smaler point that you are trying to get at Frank. You use to say "there is no one outsmarting the dreams" Wich is correct in the sense that dreams are the way to learn from, and not something random nonsense.

And the final point that by snoop that explain pretty much it all so far is.

A lot of the time this process is entirely unconscious, and we don't realize it's happening, it's all a part of the way we store information in the long term. In other words, it's all about how we learn.

It's all about how we learn, and grow. Does this make sense to you Frank? We can of course make a discussion out of all this, but we need to have some idea about what we are going for then. Then we can discuss together, since that is what IS a discussion. Not just throwing out statements without explaining anything and ignoring parts one doesnt agree with.

Snoop, you really are not discussing my ideas....the important ideas.

Ehat is the important ideas if it is not about learning and growing Frank? Please explain exactly what you see as more important than learning and growing? Because what I've seen from Snoops post, he has already covered those points more than enough.

Dream experience is quantum gravity. Dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space. Dreams unify physics/physical experience, actually, theoretically, fundamentally, naturally, and ultimately.

What is really strange, truly bizarre, and delusional is inability to think Snoop....That is meant by saying someone is "out of it". These ideas are "with it" Snoop.

Yeah Frank as usual, why make things easy when you can make them pretty much impossible to understand like you prefer to do? Is it that the attention around you would disolve if you finally made your points clear and for other people to grasp what you mean? Or is it just that you want to confuse people enough to make the illusion of yourself as a genius to yourself? I really think you are making your point here Frank. And you are really showing where you want to go with all this.. By holding on to your own illusion of that you have come up with something that you think people havn't grasped yet.. So why make it simple to understand when you can make it really confusing, right?

However.. Since you like to mention quantum gravity, does this imply that you see dreams as another dimention or world maybe?
I know that this is many questions, but they have kinda piled up. Since you are a true master of avoiding any questions that go beyond your capability to answear them in a way that make yourself right I guess.. Well, maybe some of this questions will go beyond your heavy barrier of igoring them, so you one day will be able to grow and learn for yourself aswell Frank.

The three following big ideas are all proven/explained by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio in dream experience:

1) How are dreams possible? (Not knowing, at all, how dreams are possible leads to idiotic conclusion....such as dream experience is not real or actual experience.)

2) Why are dreams so ingenious? (Importantly, there is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.)

3) Why do dreams fundamentally, ultimately, basically, naturally, actually, and theoretically unify and balance physics/physical experience?

This statement accounts for it all:

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are.

Consider very carefully the manifestation that is (and that involves) our growth and becoming other than we are. It exists. It is real. We know that. This manifestation is transcendent.....as it is an overall organization/manifestation. Magnificent ! This manifestation involves an essential and necessary mastery of physics/physical experience.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

Who here agrees with this? Why?

Who here disagrees with this....and do state why, and clearly. Good luck.

TALK.


This is gigantic news in science.

Nobody knows whether they agree or disagree with you because we can't understand what you're saying. It's gibberish. Nonsense. Woo-woo. What part of that do you not understand?

^^ Understanding does not seem to be included in Frank's programming, I think.

Not to mention that all our posts, whether in agreement, disagreement, or sincere interest in clarification are fundamentally/summarily/callously ignored by the Author Frank DiMeglio; the only acknowledgement from him that we even exist is an occasional line of what I can only call confused or misguided umbrage. Given all that, what point is there in posting anything at all?

Frank:
If these threads are indeed simply an attempt to sell your books, I'm guessing you're not seeing much of a bump in sales... and if they are an attempt to share your superior knowledge with us, well, that ain't going too well either, is it?

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are.

Consider very carefully the manifestation that is (and that involves) our growth and becoming other than we are. It exists. It is real. We know that. This manifestation is transcendent.....as it is an overall organization/manifestation. Magnificent ! This manifestation involves an essential and necessary mastery of physics/physical experience.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

Who here agrees with this? Why?

Who here disagrees with this....and do state why, and clearly. Good luck.

I agree that we becomes other than we are in dreams, and that we learn and grow because of dreams. That's probably the main reason why most people even come here to DV in the first place. To explore and play around in the other world, wich is the awesome dreamworld. There is probably not many who disagree with you on that part that dreams are amazing and important for the minds survival Frank, but when it comes to your way of expressing your ideas, then there might be some resistence about how you choose to do it.. But that is another discussion.

We all know what was so important to you now Frank. To tell how magnificent dreams are, and that we can grow into other than we are.
Got it! And yes this is big news for science, but they have known about it for a good while already.. But stil, It's nice to be able to dream and grow as you put it. Looks like this thread have reached it's end and finall conclusion since no more questions that have been asked here have been of any importance enough for you to answear Frank. However I really dont think we need to worry that people here will forget how amazing dreams are.

This thread sure have had a lot of confusing parts, but now when we know that all that you wanted was peoples attention and agreement on the obvious ideas of dreams and why we dream Frank. Then atleast I can agree to say. We already knew Frank, that's why we all where confused and might stil be somewhat confused about what you said and say. But to talk about the obvious things, can easily be the most confusing thing to do. Since talking about the obvious has already been to obvious to think about again. It's almost like looking for something you already found. So since you already found it, it becomes hard to try to looking for it all over again since you already have it now.

Isn't this great news Frank! You dont need to try to explain anything anymore. We now got what we already got... Haha 7 pages later. Well what you talk about might be old news Frank, But that doesn't make it bad news of course.. So no need for any discussion, we can now just go back to what we keep doing and what we always did, growing with dreams.

IMPORTANT...expanded info. THIS IS SUPERB AND CRYSTAL CLEAR.

The three following big ideas are all PROVEN/explained by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio in dream experience:

1) How are dreams possible? (Not knowing, at all, how dreams are possible leads to idiotic conclusions....such as dream experience is not real or actual experience.) Dream experience is possible/potential AND actual.

2) Why are dreams so ingenious? (Importantly, there is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.)

3) Why do dreams fundamentally, ultimately, basically, naturally, actually, and theoretically unify and balance physics/physical experience? (Dreams are consistent with bodily experience, including visual; AND dreams balance being and experience. Dreams involve visible AND invisible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance consistent with ultimately and fundamentally equivalent and balanced gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism. Dreams involve fundamentally balanced and equivalent attraction and repulsion. Dream experience is quantum gravity. Dream experience is NECESSARILY and logically that of the MIDDLE distance in/of space, consistent with INSTANTANEITY and BALANCED MIDDLE strength force/energy feeling/touch.) This is NOT difficult for any intelligent reader to understand. I have plenty more specifics in support of this as well.

This following statement accounts for, and it PROVES/explains, ALL of the above:

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our GROWTH AND BECOMING OTHER THAN WE ARE.

Consider very carefully the manifestation that is (and that involves) our growth and becoming other than we are. It exists. It is real. We know that. This manifestation is TRANSCENDENT.....as it is an OVERALL organization/manifestation. Magnificent ! This manifestation involves an essential and necessary mastery of physics/physical experience.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

NOTE: I have various, numerous, specific, ample, important, clear, simple, consistent, comprehensive, fundamental/foundational, excellent, fascinating, and original truths/facts that PROVE what is written in this post.

Very importantly, I demand academic honesty in this matter.

Science news does not get any bigger, better, and more important than this.

Let's get some feedback from the site administrators here.

Lol Frank please don't make me I dun wannaaaa

Very importantly, I demand academic honesty in this matter.

Sorry Frank, but the closest to academic honesty you can demand here is probably that Lol you just got. At least it is a honest lol in this very importantly loling matter.

Science news does not get any bigger, better, and more important than this.

Exactly! The key to science is to bash that "knowledge" in to place to get it right.. right? ..

Stand up and look at the Earth/ground. Full gravity involves full mobility in conjunction with, and in relation to, full distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. The visible body touches the visible Earth/ground. Now, touch the top of your head. And watch someone else touch the top of their visible head. Consider the range of gravitational feeling that is FELT.

VISIBLE SPACE....A balance of being AND experience...Instantaneity....Stabilized distance in/of space....FULL DISTANCE in/of space as it is seen, felt, and touched.

Now, compare this all directly with the MIDDLE DISTANCE of dream experience. That nails it!!