Math is such an awesome and beautiful phenomenon. It can compact volumes of physical meaning into a few symbols. It seems to be the best way to translate our physical experience of nature into descriptive meaning, and even seems to be an intrinsic part of it. In this thread I want to discuss the philosophy behind math, what it is, where it comes from. Is it inherent to external nature or do we impose it? If it’s a product of our neurology, is it then itself a part of “external nature” as a neurological structure as opposed to some disconnected abstraction? Are it's contents disconnected abstractions when describing other aspects of nature such as physics? When Pythagoras discovered mathematical laws about idealized right triangles, was he really uncovering a natural structure of neurology that creates idealized geometry? Do other life forms do math? For example, when a mother bird goes hunting and knows how many trips to take depending on how many chicks she has, or when a squirrel knows how many nuts to burry in the winter for it to survive, or does a blurry line between math and instinctual intuition happen here? These are just a few questions to start out with.