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Originally Posted by WolfTsunade
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The greatest paradox I've ever seen on DV.Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfTsunade
Congratz :goodjob2: :clap:
:D
Personally, I don't believe in shared dreaming at all. However, I think it's interesting and am willing to be open minded about it. I think an important question to ask in these experiments, is what is required to make it work, if it exists. For example:
What is actually needed to find someone in a dream? Do the people need to actually know each other, have some sort of real life attachment? Say I try to follow the above instructions: what is "WakataDreamer" to me? Just a name, essentially. My intention is not locked really on a person, and will probably fail, even supposing shared dreaming works.Quote:
Originally Posted by WakataDreamer
You bring up a good point; How can one know the identity of a person to be able to enter into their dream? What is 'identity' anyways, and how can a person use that to locate another dreamer?
When you tell yourself in dream "I want to find 'wakatadreamer'", what does that even mean? Suppose we knew each others real names, what does the name of a person imply? Are names not labels one attaches to something to identify with it? 'Me' and 'it'? 'This' and 'That'? 'Here' and 'There'?
It would have to be the consciousness that one would have to identify with, not the name. The name, in these circumstances, means nothing.
But how can we identify with a consciousness? Or rather, a particular consciousness?
We should try and start somewhere.
When I talk to you, or you talk to me, we aren't talking to each others fingers, or eyes, or names etc. We are talking to one another's consciousness. we use these things as mediums between two souls; a means, not an end.
In the dream world we no longer need fingers, or eyes, or names, because these are things of the physical realm. We bring these things into the dream world because they are so familiar to us, so a part of us, that we bring the concepts of them with us. As we all know, we don't need eyes to see in the dream world, but we use eyes because it is natural for our minds and consciousness to use eyes as a means of sight.
Remember the movie "A waking life"? The guy in that movie was practicing seeing out of the back of his head. This is a good example of our not needing eyes to see, but use them as something we automatically and naturally assume to need to use. You never think about seeing to be able to see, you just do. This is brought into the dream world with us.
But all in all, it is consciousness that is the only means of sight, or sound, our touch, etc. In fact, how many of you ever actually blink in a dream, or are bale to close your eyes and see nothing at all? Unless this is your actual intention, you never do it, I would wager.
So, on this note, consciousness is the prime means of interaction in the physical realm and the dream realm. How, then, do we identify with a nameless consciousness? How would we locate on another in the dream world at will?
I will have to test this out and experiment and think a bit, but I have an idea, just a pretty unsubstantial and incoherent idea; the idea is very, very abstract, I wouldn't know how to put it into words. Ill see if I can flesh it out so I can share, and maybe some of you might have some input in the mean time.
I am confidant this experiment will either yield great results, or nothing at all. Its pretty redundant to say that, but what I mean is, is that of all the experiments, this could be one that has the greatest potential to determine if shared dreams are possible. If they are, then the implications would be astounding; to think, proof of unified consciousness through dreams!
Of course, if we fail and no one is able to do this, it doesn't put to rest the potential, but it can be considered a really good try at finding some answers, wouldn't you agree?
We have to assume the potential is there, and doing so will allow each of us to keep an open mind (shouldn't be too hard for you all, considering the people who reside in this forum seem to be open-minded dreamers :P). But it is crucial that we keep an open mind about this. Assume it's possible, rather than assume it not possible and bar all potential from the start. Results or the lack thereof will speak for themselves, I think. Even if we fail, as I mentioned, still keep an open mind; maybe we just weren't doing it right :D
Oh, and before I forget, try and do the not-so-specific experiment I posted, and see if you get any results. It's a lot more hit and miss, random, but it negates the need of trying to locate a specific person.
I don't know, or even much care if you post the results here, or here: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=67847
But it might swamp a thread that isn't geared specifically towards this particular experiment. It would be easier and more manageable to post at the link, so all of the results are contained in one place, but I'll leave it up to you people; ill check both anyways, as I'm sure you will too.
Also, try and interact with DC's in as many different ways as possible; the array of interactions could bring something up, and idea or a breakthrough otherwise missed.
I hope many people will participate in this experiment; the more people, the greater the chance of success.
Wildman's right...shit. :mad:
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Wildman's right...shit.
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Originally Posted by RadiantZeal
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Originally Posted by Wildman
Was there any discoveries done yet? (in this thread) It's too long for me to read it all but I'm really interrested in knowing if shared dreams exist, it would be so cool... I don't have much experience in LDing so I think i should stay out of this but I can still give ideas... Or just see how it goes... And maybe join when I get better (if you guys aren't done yet)
Anyways, I was never told how you're supposed to find someone in a shared dream so my first thought to this was that you could summon the person you want to have a shared dream him. Obviously it wouldn't be the real person but you could ask the DC of the person to bring you to their dream. That's what I thought.... If you want you can try or just ignore it... I'm still a noobie so sorry if I'm just annoying you guys... lol!
i think this will be interesting
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=81995
see my vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aeVga0fdIk