Thread: Menthol as a Dream Enhancer

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

How's that going, anyway? Did it level out?

Yeah, it hasn't become any more pronounced.. though it hasn't reduced either.

Ah, cool. Now we know. I still wouldn't really recommend using it for anything except as a dream enhancer, though. It probably doesn't get too much crazier than that, at least with doses lacking potentially annoying side effects. At least, that would be my guess....

Your dreams better be interesting tonight. >w<

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Ah, cool. Now we know. I still wouldn't really recommend using it for anything except as a dream enhancer, though. It probably doesn't get too much crazier than that, at least with doses lacking potentially annoying side effects. At least, that would be my guess....

Your dreams better be interesting tonight. >w<

Let's bloody hope so -- I'm going to bed now. *waves* Good night.

Goodnight, Wolfwood. Bring us some good news!

I hope you sleep well. Don't wake up still wobbly and hallucinating.

Well, i have to report bad news

Experiment failed. No, not that way as you would think. So here is how it went:

I fell asleep at around 2AM, so i set my alarm to 5AM, because i couldn't chance a full 5 hours WBTB, since my family likes to make lots of noise in the weekend, so i decided to go with 3 hours instead. I woke up at 5AM, took a single cough drop just to taste it. It was HORRIBLE. That honey-lemon taste is just ughh....
Well whatever, i decided that i still want to test, no matter how bad it tastes, so i took the whole pack, chewing on them as fast as i can... as i finished i almost felt like throwing up because of it... Probably the taste did it :/
I took some salami from the fridge to get rid of that horrible taste from my mouth and went back to bed.

I waited 1 hour 15 minutes in bed while being unable to fall asleep... Not sure if it was because of the hot weather or because of the whole pack of Halls having some weird effect on me, but i just couldn't fall asleep at all. Then after that time i started having a painful stomachache too and had to get up finally...

So sadly that 81,9mg was wasted

But i won't ever try honey-lemon Halls ever again... ugh...

Originally Posted by littlezoe

I took some salami from the fridge to get rid of that horrible taste from my mouth and went back to bed.

LoL you used salami to get rid of the horrible taste. It must've been bad then.


My dreams weren't noticeably clearer, nor did I spontaneously become lucid; however, they were full of sex. Not the demonic, dark sort of kind I tend to have.... but just clean and pure. This wasn't just one dream, each of them was rooted in sex and had this purity about them. For me... not my kind of sexual dream hehe.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

LoL you used salami to get rid of the horrible taste. It must've been bad then.

All i knew was that i had to get rid of that taste and that's what i thought is strong enough, it worked pretty well I'm sure if i would've not done it, then i would've ended up throwing up for real. I'm not sure why, but this honey-lemon taste just made me feel really sick... I'll never eat one of those ever again.

I'll just keep to the Negro from now on... starting with 3 at tomorrow's WBTB

Okay I have to say it worked for me again. My dream was incredibly long and intresting. It even seems to give my dreams a storyline. Maybe it extends rem periods I dont know. Seems like I'm having more look than you guys.

Here are my results from last night. Wow!
Dad, the Football, and some short dreams - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Retired to bed at 12.18 am
Wake up naturally (5 min before set alarm) at 5.10 am
WBTB period 31 min

Had a stretch after retiring back to bed at 5.41 am
Total lozenges = 4
Menthol = 38.8 mg

Did get a lucid, plus a 'wall of text' regarding dream recall. Lots of reverie and visual scenes in between.


N.B: (^There is even a 'Dutch' association with the dream as well. Perhaps it in regard to this thread and the colour orange.)

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Okay I have to say it worked for me again. My dream was incredibly long and intresting. It even seems to give my dreams a storyline. Maybe it extends rem periods I dont know. Seems like I'm having more look than you guys.

Originally Posted by RobStar

Here are my results from last night. Wow!
Dad, the Football, and some short dreams - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Retired to bed at 12.18 am
Wake up naturally (5 min before set alarm) at 5.10 am
WBTB period 31 min

Had a stretch after retiring back to bed at 5.41 am
Total lozenges = 4
Menthol = 38.8 mg

Did get a lucid, plus a 'wall of text' regarding dream recall. Lots of reverie and visual scenes in between.

Damn you two and your success! Though I guess mine wasn't technically a failure... it just failed to produce what I desired.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Damn you two and your success! Though I guess mine wasn't technically a failure... it just failed to produce what I desired.

At least you had sex in yours. I didn't!!! LOL


I still have to flip that poker table and shout "This is Bullsh*t!" as well.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Well, i have to report bad news

Experiment failed. No, not that way as you would think. So here is how it went:

I fell asleep at around 2AM, so i set my alarm to 5AM, because i couldn't chance a full 5 hours WBTB, since my family likes to make lots of noise in the weekend, so i decided to go with 3 hours instead. I woke up at 5AM, took a single cough drop just to taste it. It was HORRIBLE. That honey-lemon taste is just ughh....
Well whatever, i decided that i still want to test, no matter how bad it tastes, so i took the whole pack, chewing on them as fast as i can... as i finished i almost felt like throwing up because of it... Probably the taste did it :/
I took some salami from the fridge to get rid of that horrible taste from my mouth and went back to bed.

I waited 1 hour 15 minutes in bed while being unable to fall asleep... Not sure if it was because of the hot weather or because of the whole pack of Halls having some weird effect on me, but i just couldn't fall asleep at all. Then after that time i started having a painful stomachache too and had to get up finally...

So sadly that 81,9mg was wasted

But i won't ever try honey-lemon Halls ever again... ugh...

I'm sorry you went through that, that sucks. It may have been something in the cough drops, or just the nasty taste that exacerbated the potential stomach discomfort of the cough drops.... Those are actually the ones that I have, the honey-lemon Halls. Now you know why I've been putting off using them again.

Even if you're not going to go with the tea, you should probably try to find a better method than the cough drops, if you really do have to eat that many for effect. There are probably ways that would be much easier for your body to handle.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

My dreams weren't noticeably clearer, nor did I spontaneously become lucid; however, they were full of sex. Not the demonic, dark sort of kind I tend to have.... but just clean and pure. This wasn't just one dream, each of them was rooted in sex and had this purity about them. For me... not my kind of sexual dream hehe.

It's too bad that those dreams don't suit your tastes, because that would have been an amazing success for me. Have you considered going the tea route? *push* It's possible that the other chemicals, like menthone, may contribute to its effects as well, and so it may make for a more suitable testing method. At least, since it's known to improve memory, you could see if it effects your vividness at all whereas the cough drops haven't so much.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Okay I have to say it worked for me again. My dream was incredibly long and intresting. It even seems to give my dreams a storyline. Maybe it extends rem periods I dont know. Seems like I'm having more look than you guys.

Nice! Given what I know about REM and the receptors menthol works through, it's possible that that's the case... but it's hard to say for sure. I've had that storyline-like effect from a couple other dream enhancers before, it's pretty cool when it happens. I'm glad you're having success!

Originally Posted by RobStar

Here are my results from last night. Wow!
Dad, the Football, and some short dreams - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Retired to bed at 12.18 am
Wake up naturally (5 min before set alarm) at 5.10 am
WBTB period 31 min

Had a stretch after retiring back to bed at 5.41 am
Total lozenges = 4
Menthol = 38.8 mg

Did get a lucid, plus a 'wall of text' regarding dream recall. Lots of reverie and visual scenes in between.


N.B: (^There is even a 'Dutch' association with the dream as well. Perhaps it in regard to this thread and the colour orange.)

The visual scenes you describe sound cool to see. :3 I'm happy it's working out for you! I'm sorry you didn't get laid, though. Do you think you'll just stay at this consistent dose since it's working for now?

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Damn you two and your success! Though I guess mine wasn't technically a failure... it just failed to produce what I desired.

I like how you can even complain after that. Boohoo, your dreams only had regular sex in them.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Even if you're not going to go with the tea, you should probably try to find a better method than the cough drops, if you really do have to eat that many for effect. There are probably ways that would be much easier for your body to handle.

Well, i can go with the tea, but i don't have that currently at home. Next time i'm going to the city i'll try to find some in a supermarket. But right now i only have the Negro.

... and it's technically not cough drops, but just candy that has a considerably good amount of menthol So i don't worry about eating more of this. When i was younger there were days when i took a Negro every half an hour or so... i was addicted, lol.

Haha, alright, sounds good. I'm not really worried about the candy, just the Halls. Those things aren't really designed for daily heroic doses.

Hmmm.... Maybe you need higher doses than some because your tolerance is so high from all those mint candies?

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Haha, alright, sounds good. I'm not really worried about the candy, just the Halls. Those things aren't really designed for daily heroic doses.

Hmmm.... Maybe you need higher doses than some because your tolerance is so high from all those mint candies?

Haha, don't imagine that i was eating them each and every day of my childhood xD There were just some days like that... i'm sure it didn't affect me much.. or at least i think so.

I'm sure this 81,9mg would've done wonders for me, if only i could've fallen asleep

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Haha, don't imagine that i was eating them each and every day of my childhood xD There were just some days like that... i'm sure it didn't affect me much.. or at least i think so.

I'm sure this 81,9mg would've done wonders for me, if only i could've fallen asleep

Alright, I'll take your word for it.

Well, there's always next time. I'm sure the candies will be much easier on you... those cough drops are nasty.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I get that sleep paralysis stuff, but I've only started having it really happen within the last couple years. It is pretty odd. >.> I saw that attachment, I thought it was cool.

Thanks for that.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

The visual scenes you describe sound cool to see. :3 I'm happy it's working out for you! I'm sorry you didn't get laid, though. Do you think you'll just stay at this consistent dose since it's working for now?

The scenes were mainly general. Some of the dreams more vivid especially the one regarding Dad and the reflection in the mirror dream. The illustrations I saw are beyond my capability to transcribe accurately at the moment. I need to work on that as they would need to be drawn on waking IMMEDIATELY, but you still run the risk of consciously adding something that isn't there. I would also have to make the difficult decision whether to do the drawing or try for an LD instead.
It is one of my main goals regarding LD and Art. 70 to 100 percent transcription on waking would be a massive skill to master in it's own right, even if it is at all possible, let alone including the subject of lucid dreaming. But hey, the more opportunities you get, then the better you get. I wanted to LD to help improve my art. However LD is an art in itself.
It (menthol) might be something I can use in future to help me think of new ideas and creations, etc.

I will probably drop down to two, however if there is a window of opportunity this week where I'm doing nothing the next day then I will go for the 'Full Monty' and eat all ten at WBTB. I will bear in mind Littlezoe's bad experience however.

Sex? Well I can't have everything!

@ RobStar; @ Alyzarin (Sex) -- lol alright alright.... perhaps I am complaining about something that I shouldn't. Though success for me would be enhanced vividness and clarity, a spontaneous lucid, or utter madness and intensity.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

It's too bad that those dreams don't suit your tastes, because that would have been an amazing success for me. Have you considered going the tea route? *push* It's possible that the other chemicals, like menthone, may contribute to its effects as well, and so it may make for a more suitable testing method. At least, since it's known to improve memory, you could see if it effects your vividness at all whereas the cough drops haven't so much.

*attacked by peer pressure...forced into tea route*

Yeah, I'll try the tea route then. Anyone got any idea on the menthol content derived from a cup of peppermint tea?

Originally Posted by RobStar

Thanks for that.

The scenes were mainly general. Some of the dreams more vivid especially the one regarding Dad and the reflection in the mirror dream. The illustrations I saw are beyond my capability to transcribe accurately at the moment. I need to work on that as they would need to be drawn on waking IMMEDIATELY, but you still run the risk of consciously adding something that isn't there. I would also have to make the difficult decision whether to do the drawing or try for an LD instead.
It is one of my main goals regarding LD and Art. 70 to 100 percent transcription on waking would be a massive skill to master in it's own right, even if it is at all possible, let alone including the subject of lucid dreaming. But hey, the more opportunities you get, then the better you get. I wanted to LD to help improve my art. However LD is an art in itself.
It (menthol) might be something I can use in future to help me think of new ideas and creations, etc.

I will probably drop down to two, however if there is a window of opportunity this week where I'm doing nothing the next day then I will go for the 'Full Monty' and eat all ten at WBTB. I will bear in mind Littlezoe's bad experience however.

Sex? Well I can't have everything!

You're welcome. I'm glad you like the menthol so much! It makes me happy that good things are actually coming out of this. n_n I know what you mean with the art, I'd really like to draw my lucids too but there's so much detail and so much realism... I don't have nearly the skills for it. I look forward to seeing the drawings you post in the future.

Ah, cool. Hehe, good luck with that. You might want to make sure your stomach can handle it that day, don't go eating too many greasy foods or anything. But if you do then I'll be awaiting your results.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

@ RobStar; @ Alyzarin (Sex) -- lol alright alright.... perhaps I am complaining about something that I shouldn't. Though success for me would be enhanced vividness and clarity, a spontaneous lucid, or utter madness and intensity.

I'm sure you'll get that in time. The libido aspect is one of my favorite parts so far, so I'd love to have your dreams. Come to think of it, the sex-related dream it gave me so far was really pure and romantic-feeling too.... You know, they say phenethylamine is the love chemical.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

*attacked by peer pressure...forced into tea route*

Yeah, I'll try the tea route then. Anyone got any idea on the menthol content derived from a cup of peppermint tea?

Awesome. I'm not sure exactly on the figures, but I'm sure it can vary a lot like most plants. I'm thinking I'll start with 2 or 3 cups, at most, and see where that gets me.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

You're welcome. I'm glad you like the menthol so much! It makes me happy that good things are actually coming out of this. n_n I know what you mean with the art, I'd really like to draw my lucids too but there's so much detail and so much realism... I don't have nearly the skills for it. I look forward to seeing the drawings you post in the future.

It does take practice I admit. The hardest part is starting. You don't have to be a great 'artist' as long as you get the ideas and inspiration whether you put them down on paper or on a computer is up to you.
I will definitely try to put the drawings on in future. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Ah, cool. Hehe, good luck with that. You might want to make sure your stomach can handle it that day, don't go eating too many greasy foods or anything. But if you do then I'll be awaiting your results.

Yes, I worry about that one! I will let you know how I get on.
I'm sure it will be a heck of a ride inside my head, (or stomach!)

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I'm sure you'll get that in time. The libido aspect is one of my favorite parts so far, so I'd love to have your dreams. Come to think of it, the sex-related dream it gave me so far was really pure and romantic-feeling too.... You know, they say phenethylamine is the love chemical.

Isn't that one of the chemicals found in chocolate which makes it so appealing?

Originally Posted by littlezoe

When i was younger there were days when i took a Negro every half an hour or so... i was addicted, lol.

English is such a funny language.


In America this means something totally different.


I applaud your efforts on the menthol experiment.

^ I'm surprised I made no comment on that.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

When i was younger there were days when i took a Negro every half an hour or so... i was addicted, lol.

Made her sound like a bit of a prozzy.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I'm sure you'll get that in time. The libido aspect is one of my favorite parts so far, so I'd love to have your dreams. Come to think of it, the sex-related dream it gave me so far was really pure and romantic-feeling too.... You know, they say phenethylamine is the love chemical.

Interesting.... so it likely was the menthol then, and not some odd coincidence. Yeah... the dreams felt innocent and devoid of raging testosterone; a sort of graceful act.

Originally Posted by melanieb

In America this means something totally different.

Well, i'm not american, so you are to blame if you took it that way

At first i didn't even realize that Negro can be understood another way... but well... o.o