Thread: Menthol as a Dream Enhancer

Originally Posted by littlezoe

It's more complex than that >.>

When talking about invidual numbers and not related to something physical (like candy) then numbers like 5 and 0 are much much better. 3 and 6 would annoy me if that would be the goal for something

4 is not good either... i feel like it must end with 5 or 0

Multiples of 3 are only okay in real life, when i accidenly make it 4, so i have to correct it to 6 or 9 xD But i'll stop this weirdness now

That's definitely interesting.... you don't happen to associate a sort of personality/feeling with certain numbers do you? If you do... then you're beginning to sound like you've number personification/form synaesthesia. That's pretty cool.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

That's definitely an interesting.... you don't happen to associate a sort of personality/feeling with certain numbers do you? If you do... then you're beginning to sound like you've number personification/form synaesthesia. That's pretty cool.

Don't think so that it's related to synaesthesia, i'm sure that this is just because of my OCD.

5 and 0 are good because 5 is in the middle and 0 is the beginning/end. Anything between them is either off to the right or off to the left on the 0-10 list. Not sure if that makes sense to you... but those numbers annoy me.
But it's definitely interesting and i can't explain why is that when i interact with something, then 3 is the good number, otherwise it's 5 or 0.

Maybe i could create a thread for OCD... after all there is Carrot and me and there are others as well, we could talk about stuff like this there

I don't want to clutter up Aly's thread with this, because this is a really useful thread ^^

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Yeah i suppose... after all i don't know of anyone else from Hungary who is active on this forum, so i guess none of your could actually get some Negro anyway :/

But it bothers me somewhat that i just can't tell the dose -.-

Yeah, I understand. But.... We can't tell the dose with peppermint tea either, so we might as well take what we can get.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

It's more complex than that >.>

When talking about invidual numbers and not related to something physical (like candy) then numbers like 5 and 0 are much much better. 3 and 6 would annoy me if that would be the goal for something

4 is not good either... i feel like it must end with 5 or 0

Multiples of 3 are only okay in real life, when i accidenly make it 4, so i have to correct it to 6 or 9 xD But i'll stop this weirdness now

Sounds like some good old OCD to me. I agree with the 5 and 0, but aside from that I like even numbers... so 6 is okay, but 3 not so much. X) I guess in certain situations it can be nice, though. Pretty much opposite to you, if I ended something on 3 I would change it to 4, or from 9 to 10.... Odd numbers, ew. XD I haven't had to deal with it so much since I did a bunch of drugs (interestingly, psychedelics are known to attenuate OCD symptoms), but I used to be really anal about it, like having to divide foods in half if it was something from a pack and there was an odd number of things in it, or going back to walk up and down stairs or over tiled floors again if I ended on an odd number of steps. >.<

Bloody 'ell, you've all got it.

You should join us, it's cozier here on the other side.

(Ha, haha. Right.)

I still gets lots of symmetry stuff too, even though I'm not quite as bad as before. Thinking about it makes it worse. Like, if I'm feeling something on one side of my body, it feels bizarre if I'm not feeling it on the other side too.... While growing up (and still sometimes lately) for instance if I would accidentally ram my elbow into a wall or door, I would turn around and ram the other one as well.

Anyway, that's enough for here. You guys should get that thread made.

My GF came round tonight and I told her about that dream of her. She was a bit suprised at first, (said it was a bit randy, etc. etc.) and she didn't have any dreams this morning as her cat kept waking her up early. She isn't that enthusiastic about dreams, although I do tell her about ld, but I don't think she is convinced until she has one herself. Not that I'm trying to force my opinions on her, etc.
I did come out with that old one liner when she came in. "Sorry who are you, only I didn't recognise you with your clothes on!"

Originally Posted by RobStar

My GF came round tonight and I told her about that dream of her. She was a bit suprised at first, (said it was a bit randy, etc. etc.) and she didn't have any dreams this morning as her cat kept waking her up early. She isn't that enthusiastic about dreams, although I do tell her about ld, but I don't think she is convinced until she has one herself. Not that I'm trying to force my opinions on her, etc.
I did come out with that old one liner when she came in. "Sorry who are you, only I didn't recognise you with your clothes on!"

Nice.

I honestly don't get people who aren't interested in lucid dreaming lol. I mean... seriously, what about it sounds anything less than spectacular? X) Ah, well. To each his own (or her, in this case), I suppose.

i ate like prolly 16 to 20 9 mg cough drops through the course of the day and was wondering if to many could perhaps nutralize the effect

Originally Posted by whitedreams

i ate like prolly 16 to 20 9 mg cough drops through the course of the day and was wondering if to many could perhaps nutralize the effect

It's possible, given we don't know that much about it yet... but I would imagine it would just make your dreams pretty crazy. Though normally we're dosing right before bed since it doesn't stay in the body for that long, that is a hefty dose. Wolfwood around that dose before and had a night completely filled with sex dreams.

Wow, it worked again! Four in a row now =D This is awesome

Dose: 3 Negros (unknown dose)
Side Effects: Light Stomachache
Sleep Duration: Around 40 minutes after taking candy
WBTB: Yes
Lucid: Yes
Vividness: Usual
Stability: Worse than usual, the dream fell apart a lot
Dream Comments:

DJ Link: Mediterranean City, I'm Mean - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Seems like this is working really really good now! I'm so happy, because this is my 4th lucid this week ^^ 4 days with lucids is my record for a week so far, so hopefully i can break that record with a 5th one tomorrow

I noticed that i'm more interested in talking with DCs and just going for the feelings during my latest lucids... even if not fully sexually, just sensually. Maybe that's because of the menthol, but i can't tell o.o

I have to ask, is the menthol tablet something you enjoy eating?

Because when I started my dream recall exercises, I would take a little candy as a reward when I could remember a dream, and I didn't eat a candy when I couldn't remember anything. This improved my dream recall. The candies didn't have any menthol. It was a simple "reward". Perhaps you are rewarding yourself or giving your brain something to look forward to, saying, "Hey, brain, sleep is a good thing."

Sat July 14th 2012

Dose: 0.0 mg (***ZERO MENTHOL***)
Side Effects: Insomnia, bad stomach
Sleep Duration: 2.75 hrs after / 7.25 hrs total
WBTB: Yes
Lucid: No
Vividness: Typical
Stability: Typical
Dream Comments: Hypnagogia, Anxiety dreams/Nightmare, reverie, general dream snippets.
(N.B: I did have trouble after the WBTB where I found that I couldn’t relax easy, that I was too ‘awake’ where I was thinking out ideas, etc.)

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/robs...stwatch-35895/


Mindraker: In regard to the candy / reward possibility you put foward, then I would say definitely not in my case as I did not find it a 'reward' as such trying to suck or eat 3 or 4 of the cough drops in a short WBTB span. I.e: I found it a 'chore'. Sure there's a possibility of an LD reward, but not every time as you do have to put the work in, etc. plus I think I have had above average results IMO.
The one thing I did suggest is that there may be a sort of feedback loop going on with the mind, as well as the Menthol, as a sort of 'motivation' thingy whilst going on DV every day as well, sort of in 'tandem' with it, but I do find the Menthol helps me as I had one of my best LD's that I've had in a while.
Sure there's a possible co-incidence chance, only time can answer that one fully.

Regards.

Dose: 3 York Peppermint Patties, 3.6 mg Hypericin (1200 mg St. John's Wort extract)
Side Effects: Insomnia and stomach problems leading to a very uncomfortable bathroom break, both of which I believe where mainly due to the St. John's wort
Sleep Duration: 7 or 8 hours after dosing, with a short break somewhere in the middle
WBTB: I suppose technically, with the bathroom break, but not as part of the dosing
Lucid: No
Vividness: High
Stability: High
Dream Comments: My guess is that most of the dream-boosting effects I got here were from the St. John's wort, but I did notice a menthol libido feeling again. However, the physiological effects were most unpleasant... I'll definitely be lowing my hypericin dose from now on, and probably not using it with menthol anymore. Since I think the menthol had a lesser effect on the dreams than the other supplement, I'll link to my DJ here but I'm not going to quote it.

DJ Entry - An Unfocused Night

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Wow, it worked again! Four in a row now =D This is awesome

Dose: 3 Negros (unknown dose)
Side Effects: Light Stomachache
Sleep Duration: Around 40 minutes after taking candy
WBTB: Yes
Lucid: Yes
Vividness: Usual
Stability: Worse than usual, the dream fell apart a lot
Dream Comments:

DJ Link: Mediterranean City, I'm Mean - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Seems like this is working really really good now! I'm so happy, because this is my 4th lucid this week ^^ 4 days with lucids is my record for a week so far, so hopefully i can break that record with a 5th one tomorrow

I noticed that i'm more interested in talking with DCs and just going for the feelings during my latest lucids... even if not fully sexually, just sensually. Maybe that's because of the menthol, but i can't tell o.o

Alright!! You're doing pretty well so far.

I wonder if it is the menthol that's making you act that way, or if your lucid personality is just taking a new path? It definitely does make me want to branch out more to them, though, especially sensually, as you say... that "pure sex" feeling we were talking about way back in the thread.

Originally Posted by Mindraker

I have to ask, is the menthol tablet something you enjoy eating?

Because when I started my dream recall exercises, I would take a little candy as a reward when I could remember a dream, and I didn't eat a candy when I couldn't remember anything. This improved my dream recall. The candies didn't have any menthol. It was a simple "reward". Perhaps you are rewarding yourself or giving your brain something to look forward to, saying, "Hey, brain, sleep is a good thing."

That is a definite possibility, and even if the menthol alone is providing something, that could still be enhancing it. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) However, not everyone here who's had success enjoys dosing on menthol. In fact I've had my most success with the cough drops, which I stopped using because I couldn't take their nastiness.

Originally Posted by RobStar

Sat July 14th 2012

Dose: 0.0 mg (***ZERO MENTHOL***)
Side Effects: Insomnia, bad stomach
Sleep Duration: 2.75 hrs after / 7.25 hrs total
WBTB: Yes
Lucid: No
Vividness: Typical
Stability: Typical
Dream Comments: Hypnagogia, Anxiety dreams/Nightmare, reverie, general dream snippets.
(N.B: I did have trouble after the WBTB where I found that I couldn’t relax easy, that I was too ‘awake’ where I was thinking out ideas, etc.)

A menthol-free night! So... any thoughts so far? Obviously I know it's pretty early to say much, but I'm just wondering.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

A menthol-free night! So... any thoughts so far? Obviously I know it's pretty early to say much, but I'm just wondering.

I thought I would try and see if there were any differences. It is a touch early, however I might try another free one tomorrow morning in preperation for when I use the Peppermint tea next week?

I've put a question mark there because I'm not sure how many WBTB's you can do without taking a break, menthol aside, because the last two or three have been awful regarding sleep.
Just lately I've been feeling absolutely cream crackered during the day, due to lack of, or broken sleep. That is probably why I'm getting quite a bit of HH when going to bed.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Alright!! You're doing pretty well so far.

I wonder if it is the menthol that's making you act that way, or if your lucid personality is just taking a new path? It definitely does make me want to branch out more to them, though, especially sensually, as you say... that "pure sex" feeling we were talking about way back in the thread.

Maybe... You know what... tomorrow i'll try to do something non-sensual, some rampage or something just to see if i can xD

OK So I don't have the time or patience to read all the posts but it looks like this is working. Right? Worth a try? What's the over all consensus so far? I have some peppermint oil. Would that do?

Dose: 3 Negros (unknown dose)
Side Effects: Nothing, not even stomachache, weird
Sleep Duration: Around 1 hour 40 minutes after taking candy
WBTB: Yes
Lucid: No
Vividness: Usual
Stability: Can't tell, wasn't lucid
Dream Comments:

Oh well... everything has to end once I couldn't get lucid today for some reason... But i guess i know why... I had doubts when i went back to bed, while i said it for sure on the days before.. It also took almost 2 hours to fall asleep fully, because i forgot to lower the blinds and there was too much light...

I can only remember one regular dream from after the WBTB and that was long. Some people wanted to kill me and my family was threatened too... it was somewhat futuristic as well... it was like the people didn't have rights anymore... this weird kind of 'police' could order everyone.

Sun July 15th 2012

Dose: 0.0 mg (***ZERO MENTHOL***)
Side Effects: Insomnia (milder), Stomach ache (slight)
Sleep Duration: 5 hrs / 7.75 hrs total
WBTB: Yes
Lucid: No
Vividness: Typical
Stability: Typical
Dream Comments: Dream recall average. Lack of reverie and associated visuals. Experienced a really negative depressing dream.

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Well tomorrow's the start of a new week. So I think I will crack open a box of Peppermint tea, and see how I fare on that?

Dose: I was getting ready to suck on 29.4 mg of Halls Lemon Cough Drops (9.8 mg per tablet), but I had to spit it out when I realized I have to wake up early for groceries. x.x....So ZERO for me too.

Side Effects: None

Sleep Duration: Before the failed WBTB, probably 4-6 hours, I lost track of time when I slept.

WBTB: No

Lucid: No

Vividness: I can't really scale this anymore lol

Stability: Meh, I don't know.

Dream Comments: I actually had one dream that I could apply to waking life, which was to set my clock back one hour because I'm not in Canada's time zone anymore. The rest involved my subconscious preventing me to engage in sexual acts, and then the other one was just too random.

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Originally Posted by Xanous

OK So I don't have the time or patience to read all the posts but it looks like this is working. Right? Worth a try? What's the over all consensus so far? I have some peppermint oil. Would that do?

The menthol seems to be working 50/50 so far I think. On the other hand the peppermint tea seems to work fairly well, so peppermint oil would be extra suitable. The main increase I have noted is extended story lines, longer dreams and more sexual content.

This seems to be one of the most successful research threads! Keep up the good work everyone!

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

The menthol seems to be working 50/50 so far I think. On the other hand the peppermint tea seems to work fairly well, so peppermint oil would be extra suitable. The main increase I have noted is extended story lines, longer dreams and more sexual content.

Ah, very nice thanks. I actually had some cough drops and ate about 4. I had a very strange and vivid dream dream early in the night. Perhaps there is something to this. I think I may take some peppermint oil tonight.

I'm on track again, lol.

Dose: 3 Negros (unknown dose)
Side Effects: Nothing
Sleep Duration: Around 50 minutes after taking candy
WBTB: Yes
Lucid: Yes
Vividness: Worse than usual, it was really blurry mostly
Stability: Worse than usual, it wanted to collapse a lot
Dream Comments:

DJ Link: Terror, Unstable Dream Ends in Kisses - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I had 2 lucids this day, the first in my entry is from earlier during the night, not affected by the menthol.

The second one... well.. it was really disappointing because of it's unstable and blurry nature... I still think that it's not related to the menthol that it was that bad, because some of my Negro Lucids were better quality...

So far to me it seems like the menthol helps me in being more aware, which is the most noticeable effect. It might also be related to the sexual/sensual themes.

Mon July 16th 2012

Dose: 2 Cups (x1 Before bed, x1 at WBTB)
Side Effects: Generally ok (See comments)
Sleep Duration: 4.5 hrs / 8.5 hrs
WBTB: Yes
Lucid: No
Vividness: Typical
Stability: Typical
Dream Comments: Reverie and visuals. Average to good recall. Stomach more settled and relaxed. RC done. Erection due to a full bladder.

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