Steven's Trilogy - Zero Equals Infinity

[stevenlchilds]

Zero equals infinity. This means there is no Creator or it means the creator is nothing. Therefore there is no God. If there is no God there is no Satan either. Many say there is a Creator that creates everything that is. They say something had to create the earth with its mountains, rivers, clouds and me and you. They point to the miracle of life and birth. They point to our love. They say there must be a Good God that made all this. Well, what about the hate, the abuse, and the life that feeds on life? What about greed and murder? They say there must be counter part to God called Satan. Some say the creator creates both good and evil. Well, scientifically speaking all of this is actually empty space with energy vibrations. That is all it is. This energy is balanced into opposites that cancel each other out and add up to nothing at all. The view of Buddhism is like this also. The form is the void and the void is the form. There is also the God Brahmin who dreams the universe and sleeps on a bed. The bed is Ananta the cosmic unending serpent with no form. The form is based on the formless. This is what I understand to be reality. This is what I understand to be the creator. Therefore I do not belive any one to be God or Satan. You and I and everyone else will never be God or Satan, never. We are separate individual egos. We are not all that is. I like Buddhism because it does not mention God for its bases. It is about the ego submitting to a way of being to eliminate suffering. It is about becoming happy. Intersetingly Anton Levey, the author of the Satanic Bible agreed with the idea to not have a master. Guess who that would be, Satan of course? For the most part his book is about being true to yourself and not being hypocritical. It is about self mastery too. We learn from all our choices. I have realized we need each others love and acceptance to heal our pain. We are all in the same boat whatever that boat is.

[Koalaman]

A dreaming God. I like that idea. I believe reality to be something like that now.

[Naiya]

According to my physics professors, dividing by zero equals infinity. Now feel your brain explode as mine did.

[Supernova]

According to my physics professors, dividing by zero equals infinity. Now feel your brain explode as mine did. oh god I have physics next year Although, this does sort of make sense. Now, string theory, that's gonna be a tough one. Something about 12 dimensions makes it seem a little hard to understand

[Xaqaria]

oh god I have physics next year Although, this does sort of make sense. Now, string theory, that's gonna be a tough one. Something about 12 dimensions makes it seem a little hard to understand If this is your first time taking physics, I can bet you will not cover string theory.

[Xei]

Lol yeah. If it's your first time doing a degree I can still bet you won't cover string theory.

[Universal Mind]

According to my physics professors, dividing by zero equals infinity. Now feel your brain explode as mine did. Uh oh, I am going to have to argue with your professors. Dividing by zero does not result in infinity. Dividing by zero is impossible. 8 divided by 2 is 4 because 4 is what you multiply 2 by to get 8. Now imagine 5 divided by 0. 0 times what equals 5? There is no answer. Even infinity does not work.

[Sornaensis]

Uh oh, I am going to have to argue with your professors. Dividing by zero does not result in infinity. Dividing by zero is impossible. 8 divided by 2 is 4 because 4 is what you multiply 2 by to get 8. Now imagine 5 divided by 0. 0 times what equals 5? There is no answer. Even infinity does not work. Bullshit. If you have the function f(x) = (2+x)/(3-x) then what is the limit as x --> 3-? x/0 is an infinitely large number. For x =/= 0 Pay attention as I blow your mind with my algebra skills: x/0 = ∞ x = 0·∞ x/∞ = 0 As any nonzero number divided by infinity is infinitely small, the only solution is 0. Apply the inverse and you arrive at infinity.

[Universal Mind]

You overlooked a problem with your big mind blower. Infinity is not a number. http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.large.numbers.html http://nrich.maths.org/2756 It is impossible to divide by zero, at least in terms of real numbers. http://www.math.utah.edu/~pa/math/0by0.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

[Xei]

If you have the function f(x) = (2+x)/(3-x) then what is the limit as x --> 3-? You have to be careful though, firstly because the whole point is that there isn't a limit, and secondly because the existence of the limit doesn't imply anything about the function at the actual value. For example f(x) = 1 when x = 0, 0 elsewhere. The limit of f(x) as x tends to 0 is 0, but f(0) is 1. As a matter of fact, if and only if the limit of f(x) as x tends to 0 is f(0), the function is continuous; so the example function you gave isn't.

[Naiya]

Uh oh, I am going to have to argue with your professors. Dividing by zero does not result in infinity. Dividing by zero is impossible. 8 divided by 2 is 4 because 4 is what you multiply 2 by to get 8. Now imagine 5 divided by 0. 0 times what equals 5? There is no answer. Even infinity does not work. Well, THER'S YER PROBLEM. You're using math logic. Allow me to give the full version of the story. I was measuring the resistance of different parts of an electric circuit and had just made a pretty shiny graph showing my data in Excel. When the professor walks by we ask him if it looks all right. He said, "well, what happens when you divide by zero?" "The universe explodes!" said I. "You can't divide by zero!" said my lab partner. "This isn't a math class! In physics a division by zero is infinity." So our diode had infinite resistance at certain voltages according to the graph. The end!

[Universal Mind]

Well, THER'S YER PROBLEM. You're using math logic. Allow me to give the full version of the story. I was measuring the resistance of different parts of an electric circuit and had just made a pretty shiny graph showing my data in Excel. When the professor walks by we ask him if it looks all right. He said, "well, what happens when you divide by zero?" "The universe explodes!" said I. "You can't divide by zero!" said my lab partner. "This isn't a math class! In physics a division by zero is infinity." So our diode had infinite resistance at certain voltages according to the graph. The end!

[Invader]

Zero equals infinity. Provide mathematical proof of your claim.

[Xei]

According to my physics professors, dividing by zero equals infinity. Now feel your brain explode as mine did. It's really pretty obvious... if you have some non-zero number, how many times do you have to add zeroes together to reach it? Clearly an infinite number, as no matter how many zeroes you add you'll still have zero. Technically infinity isn't actually a number though, it just represents a process. '1 divided by 0 equals infinity' actually just means as you divide 1 by smaller and smaller positive numbers closer and closer to 0, the answer gets as big as you want. It doesn't mean '1 divided by the number 0 is the number infinity'. If that were the case you could ask 'why not minus infinity'? Uh oh, I am going to have to argue with your professors. Dividing by zero does not result in infinity. Dividing by zero is impossible. Mmm well it's well defined in various systems. Normally you actually define infinity as the 'rational' 1/0. As with all mathematics we do this because it is useful.

[Oneironaut Zero]

Zero equals infinity. This means there is no Creator or it means the creator is nothing. Therefore there is no God. Could you explain this, further? How does zero equaling infinity mean that there is no God? For the most part his book is about being true to yourself and not being hypocritical. Ok. I have to call you out on this. You once told me that you believe that you're being telepathically contacted by aliens, in your dreams. I offered the possibility that you weren't, and you told me that you don't care what I believe. You know that it's true, because you "feel" it, and I can't say that it's not, because I don't know what you "feel." Well, what do you say to all of the people here that "Feel" God? How can you tell them that God does not exist, and not be hypocritical, given what you said before?

[slash112]

Ok. I have to call you out on this. You once told me that you believe that you're being telepathically contacted by aliens, in your dreams. I offered the possibility that you weren't, and you told me that you don't care what I believe. You know that it's true, because you "feel" it, and I can't say that it's not, because I don't know what you "feel." Well, what do you say to all of the people here that "Feel" God? How can you tell them that God does not exist, and not be hypocritical, given what you said before? Well said, man.

[stevenlchilds]

There is reality or existence or the universe or multiverse. We are here wherever and whatever we are we exist. The truth about our existence does not depend on what we believe. The truth as to what caused us to be here is absolute and not dependent on our opinions of it. We can call the creator or cause of reality God. What God is is not our business so to speak. We do not get to create God. God gets to create us. We would not be if something did not cause us to be. What if there are many other planets with life on them. Some may be highly advanced beyond our imagination. They may have mastered space and time. God would have created them too. They do not get to create what God is either. The truth is the truth is the truth. We don’t get to make up what truth is. Truth is absolute and is not subject to our opinions. Truth is objective not subjective. God and truth can be thought of as the same thing. So what is God? What is truth? Einstein did not think God to be a person. He believed in an impersonal God. I also believe God to be non personal. In order to match science and myth of creation from religion and such my conclusion is that God is Zero. There is no reason that nothing cannot be the creator. Does God have intelligence? I say yes cause we are here. Hahaha this is mind boggling. It makes me laugh. It is a sacred Endeavour to me to understand what God is. Nothing is sacred, more sacred than I can say. There is love cause we are here. I hope you can experience this awareness. Is there evil? Yes cause we are here. google "God is Zero"

[Sound]

What is the purpouse of this thread, other than to ramble this half-baked nonsense? I get really annoyed when people have the arrogance to think that they know exactly whats going on, and exactly what "truth" is. Your "logical" conclusions are anything but, because you just claim lots of stuff, then automaticly assumes it is the correct answer. You cite no evidence, or any arguments at all, really. And we did create the idea of god, or gods, more correctly. Thousands of them actually. And you should really try to write more coherently. With commas and proper sentence-structuring.

[stevenlchilds]

You condemn yourself with your own argument against me. haha have a good day

[Universal Mind]

What is the purpouse of this thread, other than to ramble this half-baked nonsense? I get really annoyed when people have the arrogance to think that they know exactly whats going on, and exactly what "truth" is. Your "logical" conclusions are anything but, because you just claim lots of stuff, then automaticly assumes it is the correct answer. You cite no evidence, or any arguments at all, really. And we did create the idea of god, or gods, more correctly. Thousands of them actually. And you should really try to write more coherently. With commas and proper sentence-structuring. Why the hate? I think it's great when I run into people who even care about philosophy. Most people are too shallow to get into this kind of topic. You should be thankful for people who have philosophical ideas other than what was crammed into them as kids and who care about more than what their social image and wall paper look like.

[Koalaman]

What is the purpouse of this thread, other than to ramble this half-baked nonsense? I get really annoyed when people have the arrogance to think that they know exactly whats going on, and exactly what "truth" is. Your "logical" conclusions are anything but, because you just claim lots of stuff, then automaticly assumes it is the correct answer. You cite no evidence, or any arguments at all, really. And we did create the idea of god, or gods, more correctly. Thousands of them actually. And you should really try to write more coherently. With commas and proper sentence-structuring. It seems to me that the only one being arrogant is you.

[Sound]

Sorry for my message earlier... I was in a really bad mood that day. Thats really not much of an excuse but anyway... Its not the fact that you have a philosophy like that that bugs me. Its the presentation, where it seems that you claim to have it all figured out that makes me a little irritated. But I'll keep out, and let you get back to your discussing.

[Spartiate]

The truth is the truth is the truth.

[stevenlchilds]

The Creator is nothing. The creator has all power. The creator is the cause of reality. The creator does not need God or Satan or Lucifer or the light or the dark or the truth or the lie. The creator does not need you or me or you name it. The creator does not need it.

[Catbus]

Alright. I'm not sure in which direction this discussion can go from here. Though, your first sentence confuses me to an extent. How can this creator be nothing, but also all powerful? Would you except that a creator who is nothing is non-existent? It seems that any outside force of creation could not be labeled as "nothing," since they'd inherently have to be "something" in order to exist.