Thread: So i had this thought

Originally Posted by Marvo

The real answer is that there's absolutely no point in life really. There's no greater meaning, purpose, understanding or any other thing. Ultimately you're just a cluster of atoms that happen to work in a certain way.

You really believe that?

You really believe you're just a lump of atoms? A chemical reaction? Everything you love and support, all that you've enjoyed, all that you've done, is nothing but the byproduct of a natural phenomena?

I don't.

Originally Posted by René Descartes

I think, therefore I am.

In addition, I know that I AM more then just another physical trinket on the face of a physical planet. By your logic, no one has anymore significance than a stick.

No offense, but I find that to be completely ludicrous.

Originally Posted by Noogah

You really believe that?

You really believe you're just a lump of atoms? A chemical reaction? Everything you love and support, all that you've enjoyed, all that you've done, is nothing but the byproduct of a natural phenomena?

I don't.

In addition, I know that I AM more then just another physical trinket on the face of a physical planet. By your logic, no one has anymore significance than a stick.

No offense, but I find that to be completely ludicrous.

I wouldn't expect anything else from you, and the answer is yes. There is absolutely nothing in life that tells me that we're anything more than what I explained in my initial post. Nothing at all.

While I certainly believe that nothing matters in life, it is impossible to live by such "rules", because of how we work. Just like how you don't follow all the rules of your sacred book.

I agree completely with Marvo. [edit] and evildoctor. although, I think one should practice some moderation, but only for optimal experience.

to OP: there is something I have to ask, it's bothered me for awhile, um...what happened to you?

Originally Posted by Noogah

No offense, but I find that to be completely ludicrous.

As a side note, "I think therefore I am" is somewhat outdated.

If you want something wholly more convincing, "I experience therefore I am"

Originally Posted by Noogah

You really believe that?

You really believe you're just a lump of atoms? A chemical reaction? Everything you love and support, all that you've enjoyed, all that you've done, is nothing but the byproduct of a natural phenomena?


I don't.

In addition, I know that I AM more then just another physical trinket on the face of a physical planet. By your logic, no one has anymore significance than a stick.

No offense, but I find that to be completely ludicrous.

The natural phenomena is everything in existence as we define it. I'd think twice before calling it "nothing but". Only those who are ignorant enough to think they understand anything at all like to say things like "just lumps of atoms, chemical reactions" or think of the universe in terms of significance. An atom, a chemical reaction... In what way are they not amazing? In what way is it not amazing that this condensed energy following certain laws that we can't even begin to comprehend, ends up creating a thought which then goes to great lenghts to deny it's origin and create another, in it's own make-believe "thought universe".

I think being nothing more than "just a lump of atoms and chemical reactions", or holding the "significance of a stick", as you like to call it, is as amazing as it can get. I think that I wouldn't find anything else as existentially pleasing as this. Seriously though. Am I the only one who doesn't take the "right" to be offended by the physical, chemical or sticks and then taking an absolute standpoint of KNOWING that I AM more? I'm not saying that I am. But I think those who delude themselves with the imaginary are missing out on reality. Perhaps not though, perhaps my experience of the universe matches some priests experince of God.

It always makes me think how crazy the world really is. A person who believes in Angels and demons is sane and wise, a person who sees reality as it presents itself is ludicrus. Since when is having no more significance than a stick ludicrus?

Originally Posted by Marvo

There is absolutely nothing in life that tells me that we're anything more than what I explained in my initial post. Nothing at all.

But there is a problem. A stick simply isn't. It is only a lump of atoms. By your logic, humans are also just a lump of atoms. Therefore, by your logic, we are not. However, you are. And if a lump of atoms isn't, then what is cannot possibly be isn't. Unless of course you will argue that you don't exist, then I guess it's a different story.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Just like how you don't follow all the rules of your sacred book.

I support them all, albeit at times I fail to follow all. That isn't the point of Christianity anymore anyways. Your mixing up Jewish tradition with New Testament Christianity.

Originally Posted by Noogah

You really believe that?

You really believe you're just a lump of atoms? A chemical reaction? Everything you love and support, all that you've enjoyed, all that you've done, is nothing but the byproduct of a natural phenomena?

I don't.

In addition, I know that I AM more then just another physical trinket on the face of a physical planet. By your logic, no one has anymore significance than a stick.

No offense, but I find that to be completely ludicrous.

You could've at least posted that quote in the original Latin. Cognito ergo sum.

This is the basis forthe idea that the average person's life goals of amassing belongings is pointless, that the only real value to one's life is to simply enjoy it as much as you can.