Thread: The Nature of Satan

Originally Posted by stonedape

This thread is making me love Satan. Religion should be about drugs, music, and human connectivity. In other words religion should be a form through which culture can manifest rather than a group that uses fear to control people.

+1. Hedonism, ftw.

In fact, this is not so. Humankind is not what Satan wishes to destroy. In fact, he wants world peace. He wants cooperation with nations, and rest among people. He is not opposed to morals, or humanism. Not at all. In fact, he fully supports these things.

Firstly how is someone who wants world peace evil?

Secondly, doesn't this list contradict what you are saying about supporting morals and humanism?

Characteristics of Satan

7. Came to steal, kill and destroy (John 10:10)

8. Masquerades as "an angel of light." (2 Cor. 11:14-15)

9. Tries to hide the actual truth about our God.

10. Twists the meaning of Scriptures to fit his purposes. (Gen. 3:1-5)

11. Offers counterfeit promises he can't fulfill

12. Always seeks an "opportune time" to tempt us (Luke 4:13)

First you say he wants people to be happy, he wants world peace. Then you say he wants to steal, kill and destroy.

You also claim he is not against morals, yet he has no problem with lying, killing or stealing.

How exactly do you believe 2 opposing things at the same time?

Originally Posted by stonedape

Firstly how is someone who wants world peace evil?

Secondly, doesn't this list contradict what you are saying about supporting morals and humanism?


First you say he wants people to be happy, he wants world peace. Then you say he wants to steal, kill and destroy.

You also claim he is not against morals, yet he has no problem with lying, killing or stealing.

How exactly do you believe 2 opposing things at the same time?

Dude, I'm pretty sure Noogah has left this thread for good now..

hopefully he's doing some serious thinking.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

And if you believe every word of it then that also means you believe that Noah brought whales onto the ark (every creature with nostrils). I mean, you obviously already knew you believed this, so I was wondering... how do you think Noah managed to snatch them up?

I saw a special on natgeo (I think?) on Noah's ark, they made it clear it would not have been possible for a boat such as described in the bible to have been built at the time it was supposed to have been...and also could not have withstood the storm/flood described in the bible.

Originally Posted by nerve

I saw a special on natgeo (I think?) on Noah's ark, they made it clear it would not have been possible for a boat such as described in the bible to have been built at the time it was supposed to have been...and also could not have withstood the storm/flood described in the bible.

Let alone that no flood of the entire world ever happened, and lol: two blue whales sitting on a boat uh

I dunno, I thought there was actually a big flood, maybe not the ENTIRE EARTH but...

I know several other ancient cultures have great flood myths, like the only example I can think of is the one in Gilgamesh by the Sumerians. I'm not saying that's proof or anything, just thought it was worth mentioning.

I haven't studied this extensively or anything (because I don't care and have no reason to), but I have heard that there is proof of an epic flood. of course, I grew up (and still live) in a baptist christian family, so I'm surrounded by idiots people who jump on any supposed "proof" that they stumble upon. tell me (and feel free) am I completely retarded for thinking it is even a possibility? I mean, were all these ancient cultures really just making up stories, or is there some truth to it?

oh, and why would Noah need to put whales in the ark when they live in water and the earth was supposed to be covered in...water

Originally Posted by nerve

I dunno, I thought there was actually a big flood, maybe not the ENTIRE EARTH but...

I know several other ancient cultures have great flood myths, like the only example I can think of is the one in Gilgamesh by the Sumerians. I'm not saying that's proof or anything, just thought it was worth mentioning.

I haven't studied this extensively or anything (because I don't care and have no reason to), but I have heard that there is proof of an epic flood. of course, I grew up (and still live) in a baptist christian family, so I'm surrounded by idiots people who jump on any supposed "proof" that they stumble upon. tell me (and feel free) am I completely retarded for thinking it is even a possibility? I mean, were all these ancient cultures really just making up stories, or is there some truth to it?

There were a few large floods in the middle east

OF course everyone at the time thought that middle east=world.

They appear in religions of the same area.

It's expected that the flood stories are based on a few notably large floods in the area.

Hardly worldwide all animals died stuff, but then again the writers of the Bible are a little bit guilty of sensationalism, exaggeration and dick waving of God quite alot.

I love you too.


Also:

Originally Posted by nerve

oh, and why would Noah need to put whales in the ark when they live in water and the earth was supposed to be covered in...water

Guy has a sense of humour.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

But Noogah, why do you believe the books of the bible just because they happen to be in the bible? What about all the books that were excluded because some people thought they were 'unholy'?

What does this have to do with my believing in the Bible? The books that were apparently not "included" in the Bible are not in Bible, and so therefore they are NOT the Bible. And so, my words do not apply to them.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

And if you believe every word of it then that also means you believe that Noah brought whales onto the ark

No. The Bible doesn't say that they did. The blowhole on top of a whale is not a nostril, per say.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Even though it's been proven that it was added in much later.

Heh heh. The so called "evidence" provided against that passage have not impressed many scholars.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

so who are you going to believe? Evidence, or the bible?

Elementary, my dear idol. I tend to believe, both, as I think the two compliment each other quite nicely.

Originally Posted by idolfan

Have YOU got a scripture saying that Lucifer IS Satan? NO!

Aside from the fact taht I never stated he was....

have fun.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

As the evidence indicates I suppose he tends to lean to the more domineering egomaniacal side if the child batterer.

Come now. I think you're intelligent enough to know that cutting and pasting verse outside of their context ruins there true meaning. Read the books that these verse are in, or at least the chapter. You will find that they actually make much sense. Of course, I could summarize just about anything falsely by simply cutting and padting parts of them.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

God created everything that exists.

Yes, and he did create Satan. However, he did not create Satan as evil.

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieD

Why did God need to commit suicide to give us another chance?

Jesus was not human, but he occupied a human body. he allowed himself to be tortured, and killed in PLACE of humans. Besides that, he allowed his soul to take the guilt of all mankinds sins, and took the punishment necessary to appease them, so that we would not have to.

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieD

Why was God powerless? I thought God could do anything he wanted.

God had the choice to give us a choice. he could have made you a robot if you wanted to. He could have forced you to everything he wanted you to do. But I rather doubt that you appreciate that concept. So instead, he gave them a choice, a VERY simple command, and teh command was disobeyed. Consequences ensued.

Originally Posted by stonedape

This thread is making me love Satan.

Refer to my posts.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Characteristics of Satan

1. Created by God, and not equal to God (Prov 16:4)

2. Defies God and despises truth (John 8:44)

3. Was given limited power (Job 1:8-12)

4. Was defeated at Calvary (Eph. 1:20-23)

5. Rules the masses outside God’s protection (Eph. 2:1-3)

6. Commands a hierarchy of demons (Eph. 6:10-12)

7. Came to steal, kill and destroy (John 10:10)

8. Masquerades as "an angel of light." (2 Cor. 11:14-15)

9. Tries to hide the actual truth about our God.

10. Twists the meaning of Scriptures to fit his purposes. (Gen. 3:1-5)

11. Offers counterfeit promises he can't fulfill

12. Always seeks an "opportune time" to tempt us (Luke 4:13)

NOT a very "cool" guy.

I have a hard time understanding the appeal you see in Satan.

Originally Posted by nerve

hopefully he's doing some serious thinking.

Actually, I was hoping to avoid this thread until it's popularity simmered down. Thatw ay, I could continue posting without being flooded with arguments.

It's rather difficult debating on a creationist/evolutionist ration of 1/10.

Oh well. I suppose I can't wait any longer.

Originally Posted by nerve

I saw a special on natgeo (I think?) on Noah's ark, they made it clear it would not have been possible for a boat such as described in the bible to have been built at the time it was supposed to have been...and also could not have withstood the storm/flood described in the bible.

People have no knowledge as to waht condition the earth was in before the flood.

Oh, and, yes, it could survive the conditions. A whole documentary was made on it. if you have time, watch Noah's Ark - Thinking Outside the Box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiMeNhl2VUU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gapJqaLjbpA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWGvdJFQPlQ

Originally Posted by Noogah

stuff

Skipped responding to my post there champ.

Also, I don't think this thread is so much about science vs creationism, rather people who think it's a lillll bit batshit fucking insane to believe every word of a book which has been warped and politically manipulated out of shape for the past 2000 years AND which was originally written by uneducated arabs in a desert society in one small corner of the world to explain what they couldn't understand, and to act as a creative output and work of art, as well as perpetuating the laws and ideologies of the time via enforcement by 'the ultimate tribal leader', that is, God.

Also I think it's mainly the old testament that's puzzling. it's FAR more reasonable to believe every word in the new testament, and even that's far out.

In which case the ratio seems far more reasonable of being 10:1

Originally Posted by Noogah

Come now. I think you're intelligent enough to know that cutting and pasting verse outside of their context ruins there true meaning. Read the books that these verse are in, or at least the chapter. You will find that they actually make much sense. Of course, I could summarize just about anything falsely by simply cutting and padting parts of them.

What the fuck do you mean 'taken outside of context'?

Originally Posted by stonedape

So do you still hold that Satan is evil, yet he is not opposed to morality, wants world peace etc.?

What is your definition of evil?

Also, you claim that Satan wants world peace. Does God want world peace as well?

If the God of the bible had world peace then there wouldn't be anyone else left to torture. He already tried this with the flood remember but still kept eight people alive for some reason.