Thread: Do you believe in a 'Afterlife'?

Well it fit anyway.

And Conkt wanted to make a point, didn't he?

Originally Posted by dajo

Well it fit anyway.

And Conkt wanted to make a point, didn't he?

I actually don't think he did....

Hehe, oh well. Maybe I wanted to make one

Edit:

Originally Posted by Mario92

...of course, those experiences being purely subjective and not taking place under reasonable experimental conditions. I'm not saying that there is no way in hell that the afterlife exists, but I remain quite skeptical. Why should humans, a tiny speck in the universe, have a paradise engineered for us and waiting for us when we die, which as far as we know consists of only chemical processes shutting down? It seems rather ridiculous to me.

Why does the 'afterlife' has to be something resembling a paradise? Could be quite mundane actually.

Or something entirely else.. ?

Originally Posted by dajo

Why does the 'afterlife' has to be something resembling a paradise? Could be quite mundane actually.

Or something entirely else.. ?

If the afterlife is mundane, I will kill my afterlife self.

I find it funny that they say I'M trolling, yet they are skeptics that are constantly in a religion/spirituality sub-forum trying to debunk all of it lol. Someone's looking for answers are they?

aww that i make you mad...LOL...damn Xei you so sensitive.

THAT is trolling...

The afterlife and Psi are completely different things.
Science has proven that you are your brain. That is to say, by altering the brain you effectively become a different person. By destroying the brain, you are no more. In death, the brain is destroyed, or in Walt's case, made inactive and unusable.
PSI is still within the realm of possibility. It has not been scientifically proven, but there are reports of it such as the previously posted Youtube video. It should be noted that there is evidence that Whales have ESP, and can communicate telepathically.
My XKCD comic was a bit of a joke, but it was also there to punctuate Mario's video on how there have never been any result-yeilding instances of PSI in a scientifically controlled environment.

Edit: HaRd_WiReD, the Law of Attraction likewise has no scientific backing, and is a member of the New Age Club.

umm, actually psi has been proven in a laboratory environment. Or at least one kind of psi, ESP.

Hardwired, you need to join reecejones87's mass meditation sessions. Your most recent post here is pretty much what the whole thing is about. Raising your vibrational pattern to project confidence and love throughout the world.

This is the bit where you're supposed to give some kind of evidence for your claims.

You can take this as you want to but...

I believe we are all energy, and energy cannot be created or destroyed.

The rest is all theories and things we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better about death.

*Clarification*

Originally Posted by Jesus of Suburbia

I believe that we all become what we have lkabeled as "ghosts".

This.

Also something a clairvoyant said to me once. I was relating to her about how I was excited because I might have seen an orb on the camera at work. But I went on to say that my building doesn't feel haunted. She kind of laughed and said, "Spirits don't just go off to a magical place when they die, Star. They are around us all the time."

Originally Posted by Conkt

The afterlife and Psi are completely different things.
Science has proven that you are your brain. That is to say, by altering the brain you effectively become a different person. By destroying the brain, you are no more. In death, the brain is destroyed, or in Walt's case, made inactive and unusable.
PSI is still within the realm of possibility. It has not been scientifically proven, but there are reports of it such as the previously posted Youtube video. It should be noted that there is evidence that Whales have ESP, and can communicate telepathically.
My XKCD comic was a bit of a joke, but it was also there to punctuate Mario's video on how there have never been any result-yeilding instances of PSI in a scientifically controlled environment.

Neuroscience does point to us being our brain. I'm just not very sure that
this is the end of it. For example entanglement shows us that there can be
direct connections between particles that have no obvious connection.

Anyway - psi and the afterlife are not neccessarily unrelated, imo.
Because the idea of conscious activity outside of the brain would point
to 'us' not being only limited to the brain and therefore opening up
entire new possibilities of 'us' existing outside of the brain or our body.

You may of course also argue that even if psi does turn out to be true
that this is no evidence at all for there being an afterlife, but I do think
it would just open up a new perspective, or basis for argument, for us
existing outside of our brain and therefore maybe transcending after death.

What do I think? I really don't know.

Originally Posted by dajo

Neuroscience does point to us being our brain. I'm just not very sure that
this is the end of it. For example entanglement shows us that there can be
direct connections between particles that have no obvious connection.

Anyway - psi and the afterlife are not neccessarily unrelated, imo.
Because the idea of conscious activity outside of the brain would point
to 'us' not being only limited to the brain and therefore opening up
entire new possibilities of 'us' existing outside of the brain or our body.

You may of course also argue that even if psi does turn out to be true
that this is no evidence at all for there being an afterlife, but I do think
it would just open up a new perspective, or basis for argument, for us
existing outside of our brain and therefore maybe transcending after death.

What do I think? I really don't know.

I repeat, ESP has been proven. But this doesn't entail the Afterlife existing because it could just as easily be a function of the mind. Ever moved out of the way just in time so that something from behind you didn't hit you? Maybe that reflex is like ESP. Maybe ESP is a survival instinct that, under intense concentration, can be consciously controlled.

I don't know if I really made my point clear in this post, but put simply, the brain would be the most likely source of psi, not the "soul".

Originally Posted by Xedan

I repeat, ESP has been proven. But this doesn't entail the Afterlife existing because it could just as easily be a function of the mind. Ever moved out of the way just in time so that something from behind you didn't hit you? Maybe that reflex is like ESP. Maybe ESP is a survival instinct that, under intense concentration, can be consciously controlled.

I don't know if I really made my point clear in this post, but put simply, the brain would be the most likely source of psi, not the "soul".

Whatever a soul is supposed to be.

But I know of the research done on ESP and Remote Viewing and I
know it is supposed to be valid (I posted that video up there, also).

But you are making a good point!

Originally Posted by Xedan

I repeat, ESP has been proven. But this doesn't entail the Afterlife existing because it could just as easily be a function of the mind. Ever moved out of the way just in time so that something from behind you didn't hit you? Maybe that reflex is like ESP. Maybe ESP is a survival instinct that, under intense concentration, can be consciously controlled.

I don't know if I really made my point clear in this post, but put simply, the brain would be the most likely source of psi, not the "soul".

What do you think about psychics talking to dead victims and solving cold cases? I just saw that last night in Bio of all channels.

Originally Posted by Mario92

...of course, those experiences being purely subjective and not taking place under reasonable experimental conditions. I'm not saying that there is no way in hell that the afterlife exists, but I remain quite skeptical. Why should humans, a tiny speck in the universe, have a paradise engineered for us and waiting for us when we die, which as far as we know consists of only chemical processes shutting down? It seems rather ridiculous to me.

If you looked at things my way, you might feel like me about it. You would see other people's collective experiences as meaningful, and make a conclusion, like betting on a good poker hand that's really what making a conclusion is.