Thread: Proof Christianity IS a Farce!!

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

He did. Haven't you read the atheist's bible God Delusion?

No I haven't, which is a bit weird considering I'm an atheist, isn't it? I guess someone must have made a false assertion somewhere or something...

What did he say exactly?

If 99% of christians go to hell, that means that 20 million christains alive today, are still going to go to heaven.

Let us assume for a moment you are right in your interrupation. Does that really prove that the religion is wrong? Or does it show that worshipping idols is bad, and that the bible, Jesus and God all warned Christians not to follow false images, knowing it would get them in trouble?

A popular complaint people make about Christians are about how people used the religion for violence. A good example is the crusades. However if you look, in all the crusades they marched under symbols of the church. If you took God's message to heart, you would never march to war under a flag of god, which is a false idol.

People often take out dated things from the bible and use that to say the bible is bad or wrong. But the bible itself as well as Jesus warn that you can not always follow outdated rules written by people long dead.

The bible and Jesus are strong supporters of that fact that some times you must follow the rules and some time you need to wake up and use your brain.

Assuming you are right, it isn't proof that Christianity is wrong, but that the majority of Christianity has lost its way. As for God being jealous, I am pretty sure we all know that in that context he was refering to the fact that he is going to be pissed off if you go against him.

Anger is not a sin. It makes sense that a perfect god would get angry and be pissed off. There are many stories of god smiting people. It is based off the idea of rightous anger and bringing about justice.

Originally Posted by Alric

If 99% of christians go to hell, that means that 20 million christains alive today, are still going to go to heaven.

Let us assume for a moment you are right in your interrupation. Does that really prove that the religion is wrong? Or does it show that worshipping idols is bad, and that the bible, Jesus and God all warned Christians not to follow false images, knowing it would get them in trouble?

A popular complaint people make about Christians are about how people used the religion for violence. A good example is the crusades. However if you look, in all the crusades they marched under symbols of the church. If you took God's message to heart, you would never march to war under a flag of god, which is a false idol.

People often take out dated things from the bible and use that to say the bible is bad or wrong. But the bible itself as well as Jesus warn that you can not always follow outdated rules written by people long dead.

The bible and Jesus are strong supporters of that fact that some times you must follow the rules and some time you need to wake up and use your brain.

Assuming you are right, it isn't proof that Christianity is wrong, but that the majority of Christianity has lost its way. As for God being jealous, I am pretty sure we all know that in that context he was refering to the fact that he is going to be pissed off if you go against him.

Anger is not a sin. It makes sense that a perfect god would get angry and be pissed off. There are many stories of god smiting people. It is based off the idea of rightous anger and bringing about justice.

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And this is why we have war . . .

Originally Posted by Lucidness

And this is why we have war . . .

I feel like a third party arms dealer

The Bible which is the law of the Christian God is filled with more reasons to avoid the religion than to follow it... THAT IS IF YOU WILL SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY READ THE BOOK ITSELF INSTEAD OF JUST GOING TO CHURCH AND LETTING THE PREACHER READ PARTS THAT MAKE IT SOUND ENTICING AND STUDYING WHAT HE TELLS YOU TO GO HOME AND STUDY, TAKE A LITTLE WHILE AND ACTUALLY READ THE ENTIRE BOOK. Although that's just a suggestion. But the thing i did was prove you wrong with your own material, not with my opinion or with reasons I hate it... Because i don't, i simply regard it as another fairytale sitting on my shelf beside some of C.S. Lewis literature and Tolkiens... I only have something against the fools of the religion that want preach a lesson they have ill prepared themselves for.

i feel like this thread might need to be deleted

Originally Posted by MementoMori

i feel like this thread might need to be deleted

Best post all thread

Originally Posted by MementoMori

I feel like a third party arms dealer

The Bible which is the law of the Christian God is filled with more reasons to avoid the religion than to follow it... THAT IS IF YOU WILL SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY READ THE BOOK ITSELF INSTEAD OF JUST GOING TO CHURCH AND LETTING THE PREACHER READ PARTS THAT MAKE IT SOUND ENTICING AND STUDYING WHAT HE TELLS YOU TO GO HOME AND STUDY, TAKE A LITTLE WHILE AND ACTUALLY READ THE ENTIRE BOOK. Although that's just a suggestion. But the thing i did was prove you wrong with your own material, not with my opinion or with reasons I hate it... Because i don't, i simply regard it as another fairytale sitting on my shelf beside some of C.S. Lewis literature and Tolkiens... I only have something against the fools of the religion that want preach a lesson they have ill prepared themselves for.

I've read through the bible. Some things I agree with, some things I translate differently then other.
Also, you have no concrete evidence.
I scoff.

I think about the same thing as he said in the orginal post. The bible really is just a guide to living a good life as a human. It isn't supposed to be taken so litarel. The bible is just a collection of stories people thought represented what being a good person was about. I doubt it was ever meant to be a law book, on what is or isn't allowed.

Anger isn't a useless emotion however, and a perfect god should get angry.

If your daughter is kidnapped and raped, then sold as a sex slave, it is pretty clear that by the bible standards it is not only perfectly acceptable to go out and kill her captors and free her, it is expected.

Sitting back and being mellow all the time is a sin. It is one of the seven deadly sins, sloth. When you see evil you are supposed to get mad. That is how humans are. People in the bible got mad, Jesus got mad, God got mad.

If I'm right, christians don't believe they go to hell because they sinned, but rather because they didn't accept Jesus. So your point is... moot I suppose.

Originally Posted by Alric

Anger is not a sin. It makes sense that a perfect god would get angry and be pissed off. There are many stories of god smiting people. It is based off the idea of rightous anger and bringing about justice.

So sending meteors down and mercilessly destroying two cities...
Commanding the slaughter of millions of women, children and animals...
Flooding the entire Earth to cause the genocide of billions of creatures...

That's all righteous judgement is it? Damn... and people wonder why I wouldn't let you near my kids if I were to have any.

Anger is NOT an attribute of a perfect God because a perfect being would not feel irritation! It is a useless emotion!

Originally Posted by Idolfan

So sending meteors down and mercilessly destroying two cities...
Commanding the slaughter of millions of women, children and animals...
Flooding the entire Earth to cause the genocide of billions of creatures...

That's all righteous judgement is it? Damn... and people wonder why I wouldn't let you near my kids if I were to have any.

Anger is NOT an attribute of a perfect God because a perfect being would not feel irritation! It is a useless emotion!

Thank you Idolfan,

Originally Posted by Xei

No I haven't, which is a bit weird considering I'm an atheist, isn't it? I guess someone must have made a false assertion somewhere or something...

What did he say exactly?

You must be like those blind faith christians who haven't even read the bible. For shame! I'm not going to teach you what your bible says. Look it up yourself!

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

You must be like those blind faith christians who haven't even read the bible. For shame! I'm not going to teach you what your bible says. Look it up yourself!

You often lose me in your sarcasm so I'm not really going to attempt to fathom out what your angle is here...

It is generally accepted, that a good person who has never heard of god, will not be punished for not believing in god. You can not reject god, if you do not know him. Now people who know all about god and are just confused and can not decide, is more of a grey area, depending on how strict you are, and who you ask.

That is a bad example though, since most people say that god doesn't send anyone to hell. That people wander into hell of their own acord by rejecting god's guidance.

Originally Posted by Alric

It is generally accepted, that a good person who has never heard of god, will not be punished for not believing in god. You can not reject god, if you do not know him. Now people who know all about god and are just confused and can not decide, is more of a grey area, depending on how strict you are, and who you ask.

That is a bad example though, since most people say that god doesn't send anyone to hell. That people wander into hell of their own acord by rejecting god's guidance.

So you're saying that when you die, you meet God and he asks you if you either reject him or want to love him and if you reject him you go to hell but you actually need to be sincere in your answer? Or something like that?

It is more like god is goodness. By being good and follow the path of good you accept god. By being bad and evil, indifferent, neutrel, uncaring, lazy or whatever you are rejecting god. Your saying being good is to much work, you don't want any part of it, and you just do whatever you want.

Even if you near heard of God before, people still know what is good. God finds a way to show them. So no one is condemned because they didn't know.

Would an agnostic that does good be damned? Since he/she doesn't reject the goodness of God, just the wish to believe in anything?

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

So you're saying that when you die, you meet God and he asks you if you either reject him or want to love him and if you reject him you go to hell but you actually need to be sincere in your answer? Or something like that?

Somewhere in heaven:

• God - "Love me or I send you to hell!"
• Man - [thought: Damn, this guy made hell and eternal torture and now he wants me to love him? I can't do that... He's gonna know I'm lying, but I have no choice but to try.] "I love you!"
• God - "Sorry, you're lying, hell for eternity...next!"

Yeah sounds like a real prototype of goodness. Any good person with the view of god presented by religions couldn't say he loves this God. I'm not saying that anybody in this thread or forum believes this exactly, but I know many do. Seriously. When will people realize that this stone age mentality does not compute in the 21. century. People telling me that my soul, which is determined by my brain, is going to "decide" (with free will!?) whether I'm going to heaven or hell. Might work for some poor deluded and indoctinated person, but anyone that can "do" basic logic can see how this is messed up.

/end rant.

The problem with that is hell is poorly referenced in the bible, most people do not believe god created hell, and he never threatens to send people to hell for not loving him.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Somewhere in heaven:

• God - "Love me or I send you to hell!"
• Man - [thought: Damn, this guy made hell and eternal torture and now he wants me to love him? I can't do that... He's gonna know I'm lying, but I have no choice but to try.] "I love you!"
• God - "Sorry, you're lying, hell for eternity...next!"

Yeah sounds like a real prototype of goodness. Any good person with the view of god presented by religions couldn't say he loves this God. I'm not saying that anybody in this thread or forum believes this exactly, but I know many do. Seriously. When will people realize that this stone age mentality does not compute in the 21. century. People telling me that my soul, which is determined by my brain, is going to "decide" (with free will!?) whether I'm going to heaven or hell. Might work for some poor deluded and indoctinated person, but anyone that can "do" basic logic can see how this is messed up.

/end rant.

OMG laughing my butt off!!....