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      Talking Proof Christianity IS a Farce!!

      I have seen many threads agruing about christianity on here.
      I would like to present you with a few passages, the only passages needed, that will show you
      1) Christianity is a farce, a fake and insulting to anyone with any sense of mindfulness.
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      2) (for all the christians that are going to argue against me in this thread) that even if somehow the religion is true 97% of ALL Christians WILL go to HELL!

      1)"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."-Exodus 20:5-6
      What does this mean? This shows that your God commits sin. Oh but you'll say that it's not a jealousy of the flesh? BULLSHIT!!! for Jesus was of the Flesh and was the fathers son... Or does this mean we can be jealous of other religions???... As long as it's for the benifit or the Christian God huh...

      2)"Thou shalt not
      make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any
      thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth
      beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth"-Exodus 20:4
      This is the big one. Lets break it down: ok to make a graven image that means not to make anything AT ALL that represents ANY GOD even the speaker himself (The Christian God). But ALL Christians ahave broken this one very simple law, every single phrase of it. The Jews have the Star of David which is of the heavens above, the Catholic and all following denominations of that sect have the WOODEN CROSS which is of the Earth below the heavens. Also the more recent Christians created the Fish that's supposed to represent Jesus, the fish being of the Waters underneath.... Holy Shit!!! Think about how many people Don't know this and are to blind and stupid to actually read the book they devote their "souls" to... OMG seriously people wake up! This religion like almost all others that are hundreds of years old are MAN MADE AND ARE RIDDELED WITH FLAWS THAT MAKE THEM EVIL ACCORDING TO THEMSELVES....
      'beatin the shit outta the largest fairytale story ever wrote since 2000'
      Now for my take on this:
      I have a couple theories i would like to share a hear your opinions on...
      1) "God" meant the Bible as a basic guideline of how the human race should treat life but not to be taken too seriously. Also "God" didn't mean that he was "God" the way we interpretted it. Quantum scientists have found that just by observing something we change it's entire existance in the universe (look it up if you don't believe me, actually i encourage you to research all of this) and so i believe that means that the first being to gain awareness was the first to actually construct the universe in this way. He was like "Oh this is this and that's that... wow" an just by being there to witness it he created it as it is. So he is the creater... not that we owe him anything. He didn't intentionally say oh i think i'll make a human today and play with him *POOF* (best army men ever) lol.
      2) "God" is EVERYTHING... He is all and ever. He is every molecule of energy any and everywhere ever. This is what he means by he mad us in his image, and that "bad" things or "sins" disrupt the flow of energy and set it into a bad wave of vibrations. Good things harmonate on a stronger more stable and soothing wave that flows best. Heaven is the Universal Mind and the whole of energy ever and to get to it you need to try to vibrate in that frequency of good and going to hell is passing away while in the vibration of bad and pain and evil things and never being able to change your vibrations to resonate with the Universal Mind and Energy of all things.
      3) My third one is that there is no "God" at all but we are in a cycle of energy that has no end nor any beginning. It "Big Bangs" then the stars eventually all collapse and drag everything into black holes and once EVERYTHING falls into the last largest black hole it "Big Bangs" again and repeats forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever ETC ETC ETC.......

      My beliefe is a mixture of #2 and #3...
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      Cool

      PS: i dont attack any religion and i never start any religious or political conversation and mostly avoid them but when dumbass wanna try to prove a dumbass idea i prove them wrong... with there own material.... BOOM ANUTHA HEAD SHOT!


      Edit: and no matter what none of us ASKED to be created Gods just thought they'd play... well GOD.... and I AM NOT ATHEIST or however you spell it.... i have NO RELIGION and ATHEISM is the RELIGION OF HATING RELIGIONS....

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      MementoMori...

      2)"Thou shalt not
      make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any
      thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth
      beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth"-Exodus 20:4
      Maybe you should have added the rest of the verses



      << Exodus 20 >>
      King James Bible

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      1 And God spake all these words, saying,
      2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

      3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

      4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


      You say you have no religion, you are not athiest or religious because in your eyes atheist is a type of religion... If this is the case and you are secure with your beliefs then why bother trying to prove Christanity is fake?

      When someone comes around trying as hard as they can to prove something is wrong, that shows that they do not have much security in what they believe.

      I tell ya, it makes me laugh.
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      I simply added my chime to a the debate.... again i apologize because the webpage allows for no inflection and things are often not what they seem..

      @davej: I can look the christian religion populous in the eyes if i had to and admitt i am secure in my believes, even if they wanted to begin the witch trials all over again. I my friend am most secure in my beliefs. Have a wonderful holiday!

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      davej: I can look the christian religion populous in the eyes if i had to and admitt i am secure in my believes, even if they wanted to begin the witch trials all over again. I my friend am most secure in my beliefs. Have a wonderful holiday!
      If you are so secure then why go to the trouble of making a thread like this.
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      Because i too still like to express my opinion and share a little of what i know sometimes...
      I may be on a journey of enlightenment but i'm not so wise i always remember that some arguments are better left to the ones who care for the points in the argument....

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      Quote Originally Posted by davej View Post
      If you are so secure then why go to the trouble of making a thread like this.
      Dave, I see you asking that type of question a lot here. The answer is that the topics of religion and the nature of reality are fascinating and the Christian mentality is fascinating. We want to understand it more, learn more, have interesting discussions, and have fun with the competitive exercise of debating. That's the answer.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Dave, I see you asking that type of question a lot here. The answer is that the topics of religion and the nature of reality are fascinating and the Christian mentality is fascinating. We want to understand it more, learn more, have interesting discussions, and have fun with the competitive exercise of debating. That's the answer.
      what UM said

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      Quote Originally Posted by MementoMori View Post
      2)"Thou shalt not
      make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any
      thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth
      beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth"-Exodus 20:4
      Ooooooh, some photographers are fucked! They are FUCKED!!!





      Burn them! Burn them! Hurt them!

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      LMFAO!!!! OMG.... LOL hilariouse (however that's spelled). LOL he meant that referring to idols... thing others worship... i showed this to a preacher once in my hometown and a year later he quite preaching and joined the peace core.... i was like YESSS!!!! now he's doing something that actually matters and will make a difference! lol

      nice post though, i laughed for atleast an entire minute...

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      Thanks. Bible passages about God being arrogant and absurd really bring out my sarcasm.
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      so if you don't mind me asking what's your standing on the subject?

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      It looks like the second verse is saying not to make any image (painting, photograph, sculpture, map, etc.) of God, what is underground, or what is under the ocean's surface. It talks about a graven image and then says "or" before talking about the nature scenes. Thou shalt not
      make unto thee any graven image, OR any likeness [of any
      thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth
      beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth" It does not say the likenesses of underground or under the ocean surface have to resemble God to be forbidden. It is one more off the wall rule in the Bible, like how you can't cut your hair on the sides and can't work on Sunday. Most Christians ignore pretty much all of the rules in the Bible. When questioned on it, they say they are old laws that don't apply to now, but then they will turn around and say that the Bible is the word of God and homosexuals are evil and evolution is a lie. It's all a bunch of chaotic madness.

      The first verse you quoted spells out support for this stance I talk about sometimes...

      http://dreamviews.com/community/show...ality+disorder

      A big part of me has held on to Zen and other Eastern philosophical beliefs for a long time, so I am not that far from agreeing with your scientific view of existence as a god. I am just not so sure about calling it a god. It is something phenomenal, whatever it is. Notice my screen name.
      Last edited by Universal Mind; 12-12-2009 at 03:20 AM.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MementoMori View Post
      hilariouse (however
      Facepalm.
      I like how all of those quotes are from exodus.
      the bible
      and you're refuting theism. Or trying to.
      And you use stupid people that practice a religion and do stupid things a stereotype for all of them.

      3) My third one is that there is no "God" at all but we are in a cycle of energy that has no end nor any beginning. It "Big Bangs" then the stars eventually all collapse and drag everything into black holes and once EVERYTHING falls into the last largest black hole it "Big Bangs" again and repeats forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever ETC ETC ETC.......
      There is no concrete evidence for this or anything you said.
      I scoff.
      I scoff.


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      Quote Originally Posted by guitarboy View Post
      Facepalm.
      I like how all of those quotes are from exodus.
      the bible
      and you're refuting theism. Or trying to.
      And you use stupid people that practice a religion and do stupid things a stereotype for all of them.


      There is no concrete evidence for this or anything you said.
      I scoff.
      I scoff.

      i said they were my theories... and The only two passages i wanted to share were those two, sorry they were wrote in Exodus, i would've still used them if they were in two seperate books or the new tes. The point i was making is that the Christian god commits that which he condems his children for (reflective of a human parent and hipocratic) and that almost every believer in this God disobey his orders blindly through their entire lives... even the pope's they all went to hell... lol if the religion is true and he is "God"... lol

      Scoff all you want but i presented you with concrete evidence...

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      A great website that proves that God is a 'Farce' is right here:

      http://www.evilbible.com/

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