Thread: why

A question asked a lot. I don't believe in God, but I can answer the question in a religious person's point of view.

It is because God wants us to learn something through life, so we can have good souls or something.

Slash is a little off, but has the right idea. There would be no point if we were all rule following robots.

Why
Are we still asking these questions when we know there really aren't any religious people to ask these questions to? Especially since they've been asked so many times...?

To play the Devil's (Angel's...?) advocate here, I'll answer with an old alternative mindset.

God gave us free will, and thus the power to refuse or choose God's love. If he hadn't, we wouldn't have chosen death and sin instead of love. Short answer.

Yea, I can't explain it well, but I know what I'm talking about.

I'm sorry Slash, but I need to sig that.

Haha. Cause it's stupid, or cause it's funny out of context, or what?

A little of both. No offense meant, we all slip up every once in a while

If God is supposed to be omniscient, then God is aware of everything that goes
on even within our individual selves. God essentially experiences social
interaction, emotions, and things like belief and lack thereof through us, much
in the same way our brain is still aware of the interaction of dream characters
in our dreams on a subconscious level.

Originally Posted by Invader

If God is supposed to be omniscient, then God is aware of everything that goes
on even within our individual selves. God essentially experiences social
interaction, emotions, and things like belief and lack thereof through us, much
in the same way our brain is still aware of the interaction of dream characters
in our dreams on a subconscious level.

If that's the case, the state of the human race shows god has got to be one miserable fuck.

Humanity is not the only thing that exists, and we are not restricted only to suffering.

Both valid points, both countered by the fact that we're allegedly the only beings with souls and the fact that joy seems to only happen on a small scale, whilst war, poverty, famine, tyranny, sickness and disease, torture, murder, rape, death and other issues with a negative connotation happen on both the individual level and a mass scale. For every wedding there is a genocide. For every couple that falls in love, there is a dictator oppressing his people. For everyone who has a good day at work, there is another drinking at home alone. Humanity is in a state of disillusion, surrounding by negativity ten fold for every piece of joy.

I believe sometimes "negative" things are necessary. But it doesn't change them from causing the emotions and suffering they do.

My point still stands.

It is because God is infinitely powerful and therefore has to work within the rules of reality which he cannot control. Well, he could, but screw it. He loves you soooooooooooooooo much. Thus, it is better for him to create you while knowing you will burn forever than it would be for him to screw you over by not giving you choices you don't realize will lead you to eternal torture. It's about extreme love and infinite power. Burn!!!!!!!!

It's because God doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Both valid points, both countered by the fact that we're allegedly the only beings with souls

You are talking about a religion's beliefs, and thereby restricting the possibilities of our discussion.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

For every wedding there is a genocide.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

For every couple that falls in love, there is a dictator oppressing his people.

=| Those numbers would be a little extreme, I think.

About the issue of suffering and God being miserable because of it, that
brings up other scenarios about what the nature of a true God could possibly
be. Perhaps a God must suffer. Perhaps not. It may be possible that God is
neutral and represents that which is entirely "good" and that which is entirely
"evil". The experience of malevolent behavior may be experienced as a
fleeting thing, meaningless. If there is such thing as a God that interacts
with the universe, it could possibly follow that the destruction of malevolent
empires was due to the fact that this God's attention, awareness, lucidity,
was brought about due to mass suffering.

These are all ifs and maybes and possibilities. My experiences with peoples'
notion of God has shown me that they are very uncreative and, again,
restricted in their thinking.

Also, any infinitely powerful God should be able to destroy itself. Maybe,
after it has experienced everything, it does this and all begins over again
from scratch, no memory, no nothing. I don't know. Possibilities are damn
near endless, and without hard evidence, that's all they'll remain to us for
the time being.

Hmm.. Interesting answers. thanks guys.

Originally Posted by Rozzy

why would God still create us if he knows whether or not we'll choose him. He knows we'll suffer right? so why would he do that? I guess im just confused as to why.

God has given you unlimited freedom. The decision and the intent is yours, and yours is Gods.

Originally Posted by really

God has given you unlimited freedom. The decision and the intent is yours, and yours is Gods.

Unlimited? Can you go back in time and poke your head out of my computer screen yesterday?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Unlimited? Can you go back in time and poke your head out of my computer screen yesterday?

If you know how to do it, and the current circumstances are favorable, you can do it.

Originally Posted by Rozzy

why would God still create us if he knows whether or not we'll choose him. He knows we'll suffer right? so why would he do that? I guess im just confused as to why.

Originally Posted by Xei

It's because God doesn't exist.

^This

Originally Posted by really

If you know how to do it, and the current circumstances are favorable, you can do it.

Which we don't and they're not and we can't, and on top of that, it goes against the very laws of reality. If you know how to achieve such circumstances, I would like to see you summon a clone of yourself and grapple to the death with it.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Which we don't and they're not and we can't, and on top of that, it goes against the very laws of reality. If you know how to achieve such circumstances, I would like to see you summon a clone of yourself and grapple to the death with it.

It doesn't go against laws of reality. The laws are defined as the circumstances and environment, but also the possibility that you can do something (or not). Summoning a clone is not something I can do.

Originally Posted by really

If you know how to do it, and the current circumstances are favorable, you can do it.

At the present time, you can't, so there's a limit right there.

Originally Posted by really

God has given you unlimited freedom. The decision and the intent is yours, and yours is Gods.

According to the lore, this god is all mighty, which means he/she/it is all knowing, which means he/she/it knows what you'll do in life, which means he/she/it knows you'll burn, which means you're following a destiny, which means you don't have a choice.
Thus, this god is not giving you a choice, he/she/it is sentencing you to eternal damnation from before you're even born. If this was a human being being judged, he or she would be called a cold-hearted bastard, I believe.

I've asked many Christan's this. I too do not get it. This is the kind of thing in the thread, "Even if God Existed I Wouldn't Worship him"

Originally Posted by Rozzy

why would God still create us if he knows whether or not we'll choose him. He knows we'll suffer right? so why would he do that? I guess im just confused as to why.

In one world including both you and God, what meaningful distinction can exist between you and God? The question then becomes: why do you manifest and suffer?

By definition, an unreal or nonsensical God or gods does not exist. Only real God/s exist. It's fruitless to pursue or oppose the unreal.