Thread: It is as if Christians are TRYING to confuse people

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I do not dislike Christians in general. I dislike people who worship sadists. And it just so happens that most Christians appear to believe that God is the biggest sadist of all. Christians of this variety should be kept in institutions, because it is no different to worshipping Hitler, Stalin or any other infamous egomaniacal bigot.

Okay well that's your opinion and you are entitled to that. I know where you are coming from. Because I feel the exact same way. I look down on Atheist I dislike them plain and simple, but that's just me. I'm entitled to that. It's obvious to every Atheist in here that I look down on them. So I don't need to express it any further than what you see in most of my replies.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

About the endtime thread? Yeah, if I really did not like Christians then I WOULDN'T BOTHER. Why would I want to show them what their own holy book says if I did not care?

That's the point. You didn't bother. You created the thread and you posted all of what 2 or 3 times?? Then you ran off with some lame ass excuse about being tired or some dumb shit like that. At the same time you've been posting your ass off in other topics of R/S.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Once again, not all Christians speak in fucking tongues like the guys I am speaking about do. The title of the thread was a generalisation, yes, but unless one honestly thinks that I believe there are no rational Christians out there, then it should become apparent that I am speaking about the majority of Christians, and not all Christians.

Okay so what, you're talking about some guys speaking in tongues and you don't have the slightest clue what's being said. Why care? How does this have a major impact on your life? Why should you care? Why choose to care about not understanding someone opposed to chasing some girls ass?

Originally Posted by Idolfan

When Christians tell people they worship an evil sadist, they are asking almost masochistically to be hated. Likewise, when a Christian claims that he has some kind of knowledge above you because God has been oh so special to him and therefore he can't tell you, he is asking to be hated.

Okay well thats fine, you hate Christians, instead of getting yourself all bent out shape and worked up over a group of people who are not thinking about you, you should figure out a way to channel all that anger and animosity into something constructive. Make your mother a I love you card just to show her that you do. Tell your old man to take you fishing sometime or throw the football for a change. Use that hatred and anger and channel it into something positive and reach out for the people that you care about.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I did not make this thread for Christian hatred, I made it so that they could TELL ME WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

Okay well I will clear this up then. IF you want to know what the Holy Spirit is then this is exactly what it is. It's God's active force.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

The reason I am so angry is because I feel like they are trying to hide something.

No the reason why you are so angry is because you need a life. Get one.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

They DELIBERATLY make their words all mystical and fancy IN ORDER to confuse us. If Christians can't tell us what the Holy Spirit is like, then HOW WILL I KNOW IF I WERE TO RECEIVE IT? By refusing to tell people they are effectively sniggering with a prideful and sadistic glee because they want their heaven to themselves. They wouldn't want filthy fucking atheists like me anywhere near it.

You don't believe in God why care??? If you do not have a genuine belief in God then why should you give a damn what a person says about God's Holy Spirit???

Originally Posted by Idolfan

And by the way, if you say that is wrong, and you do care... well you shouldn't, because YOUR GOD doesn't care! Atheists in heaven? PAH! What blasphemy!

In regards to Atheist, no I don't care. I can care less where Atheist end up when they check out.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

The thing is I actually care about what Christ probably is, and I care about what the Holy Spirit probably is. It's assholes who dress up their everyday lives because they can't BEAR how insignificant they are that ruin it for me.

Okay well if you care then care, if not then don't. Either way you still could be doing something more constructive at 17 then having all of these anger issues that you have which (mark my word) will eventually manifest itself into a health issue if you do not get it under control.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

If the answer is, "Well, it varies from person to person" then WELL DONE! You've just proven that your 'Holy Spirit' is nothing more than a subjective label. If it differs from person to person then I guess that I receive the Holy Spirit from the pleasure I get by pissing sadists, bigots and bloodworshippers off, so there we go, I have the Holy Spirit, case closed.

Can you DISPROVE that?

I'll say this. My honest opinion I don't think people can feel the Holy Spirit. The ones who say they do are usually Christian fundamentalists. I've never felt it but I believe it exist. So if you've never felt it don't worry about it. I haven't felt it either. Now go out and chase some young girls ass.

The Shadow has spoken.

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

Okay well that's your opinion and you are entitled to that. I know where you are coming from. Because I feel the exact same way. I look down on Atheist I dislike them plain and simple, but that's just me. I'm entitled to that. It's obvious to every Atheist in here that I look down on them. So I don't need to express it any further than what you see in most of my replies.



That's the point. You didn't bother. You created the thread and you posted all of what 2 or 3 times?? Then you ran off with some lame ass excuse about being tired or some dumb shit like that. At the same time you've been posting your ass off in other topics of R/S.



Okay so what, you're talking about some guys speaking in tongues and you don't have the slightest clue what's being said. Why care? How does this have a major impact on your life? Why should you care? Why choose to care about not understanding someone opposed to chasing some girls ass?



Okay well thats fine, you hate Christians, instead of getting yourself all bent out shape and worked up over a group of people who are not thinking about you, you should figure out a way to channel all that anger and animosity into something constructive. Make your mother a I love you card just to show her that you do. Tell your old man to take you fishing sometime or throw the football for a change. Use that hatred and anger and channel it into something positive and reach out for the people that you care about.



Okay well I will clear this up then. IF you want to know what the Holy Spirit is then this is exactly what it is. It's God's active force.



No the reason why you are so angry is because you need a life. Get one.



You don't believe in God why care??? If you do not have a genuine belief in God then why should you give a damn what a person says about God's Holy Spirit???



In regards to Atheist, no I don't care. I can care less where Atheist end up when they check out.



Okay well if you care then care, if not then don't. Either way you still could be doing something more constructive at 17 then having all of these anger issues that you have which (mark my word) will eventually manifest itself into a health issue if you do not get it under control.



I'll say this. My honest opinion I don't think people can feel the Holy Spirit. The ones who say they do are usually Christian fundamentalists. I've never felt it but I believe it exist. So if you've never felt it don't worry about it. I haven't felt it either. Now go out and chase some young girls ass.

The Shadow has spoken.

AMEN Shadow, IdolFan is a frustrated, useless, forum-troll. I'm not ranting I'm speaking my mind.

I see you, IdolFan, in too many discussions spitting fire at everything and everyone. Interrupting intelligent discussions and turning them into pathetic, uncivilised rants.

You're like a plug up of dirt in the canal of intelligence. A wisdom inhibitor. Get out of here man, I bet you'd do a heap of people a big favor.


Large groups of religious folks: Christians, Muslims, Jews, Krishnas, Sihks..etc are indoctrinated and completely brainwashed into irrational, megalomaniac, intolerant and ignorant views and behaviours by their religious leaders.

That's why they believe everything happening to them is MORE special somehow. They feel chosen, Priviledged; They feel more worthy than others. Purer. They are brainwashed into seeing inequality and conflict where they used to see peace and equality.

Nevertheless are their plenty of Religious people of mentioned religions who's religion is a positive good thing.
You see it's not what Religion makes of people, it's what People make of Religion.

So to say all Religion is bad is a bad, untruthfull generalisation, but for this reason I myself have developped a sort of allergic reaction against organised ideology.
Let's stay on topic and not allow pathetic frustrated people like IdolFan to derail this great, intelligent discussion.

I only read about 3/4 of this thread, just a heads up.

In any case, while I do think that the majority of the Christian religion has a lot of factual as well as philosophical inaccuracies, I do believe in the sensation that people describe as "The Feeling of the Holy Spirit". I do not think it is necessarily a god or real being of any sort, but I have had that feeling, and it seems almost impossible that religious people are describing anything BUT that feeling when they refer to the feeling of the holy spirit, or whatever deity they worship.


It's always a bit difficult to describe how emotions feel, but I'll give it a shot. I always think that it feels a whole lot like INTENSE love/connection. It feels like it's the very meaning of being alive. You seem to have some kind of connection with something, sort of like how it feels when you listen to music that you are really attached to, except it's that feeling amplified tremendously (Really, I feel that music gives me that feeling whenever I can connect with it, it's just a hint of the feeling though). You have probably felt it already in inextreme amounts, like if you've ever had any experience with love, or if you've ever enjoyed music, I think you have felt it, just slightly though. You can go through life having felt that several times, and never realizing how powerful and beautiful of a feeling it can really be, which I think is what many people do. When the feeling is extremely strong, which is probably what christians may be referring to, it feels to me almost like my heart/"spirit" is having an orgasm.

Really, I think it's the same sensation of being alive, or having love and connection, and it's only described as the feeling of the holy spirit when the feeling is very intense. To me, it's the same thing though.


I don't know what your opinion is on the usage of psychedelics, but I'll say that my first experience of feeling this feeling intensely, and making the connection between it and what people describe as god/spirituality, was when I first used psilocybe mushrooms. I have felt it almost as intensely as love for a girl, but it didn't seem reasonable to make the connection to the feeling god or a spiritual being at the time, because I merely understood it as love, and didn't realise that it can be present outside of romance. From the 3 times i've used shrooms, I have felt this feeling throughout almost the entire experience. I don't know if others do feel the feeling when they use shrooms, but I assume I'm not the first, as psilocybes have been used as entheogens for thousands of years, so that must mean that at least some feel the same feeling under their influence.

But yeah. Just for clarification, I am an agnostic and do not have a drug habit of any sort, just use psychedelics on rare occasions, because I enjoy exploring my mind. Now I can't say for sure this is what christians mean when they say that they felt the holy spirit, but when I first felt it on mushrooms I instantly made the connection between that feeling and some kind of god or spirit. I don't necessarily believe in god or spirits, but I do believe the spiritual sensation is what I felt, and that it is indeed powerful. Whether or not the presence of the spiritual feeling actually means that a god or a spirit really actually exist is beyond me, however. It's a feeling, and it feels that way, but that doesn't rationally prove the physical existence of such a being in my eyes, it only proves the existence of the sensation of such a being.

I am not connected to any organised religion and yet, if you say "feeling the holy spirit" and "God's Glory" I can definitely relate to that.

No need for a holy book, church or preacher. I agree with the view that "God" is our Intuition. Intuition being the divine part of self present in every human being.

There are occult groups of Christians, Krishnas, Sihks that deliberately spread fear, hatred, confusion and then offer protection, peace and clearity to those they've made besides themselves with fear, hatred and confusion. Much the same way that cosmetic corporations launch commercial campaigns to make us feel old, unattractive and insecure while at the same time offering us (fake)rejuvenating and cosmeticly masking ointments, cremes, foods..etc

It is a tested and proven to be effective mind-manipulation practice used for 1000nds of years by merchants and churches.

Originally Posted by SKA

There are occult groups of Christians, Krishnas, Sihks that deliberately spread fear, hatred, confusion and then offer protection, peace and clearity to those they've made besides themselves with fear, hatred and confusion.

I wouldn't say they were occult, more like mainstream.

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

Okay well that's your opinion and you are entitled to that. I know where you are coming from. Because I feel the exact same way. I look down on Atheist I dislike them plain and simple, but that's just me. I'm entitled to that. It's obvious to every Atheist in here that I look down on them. So I don't need to express it any further than what you see in most of my replies.

Wow, I don't like to meddle much in this religious bull**** but what are your motivations for disliking Atheists? And it's not the same way... He dislikes Christians that worship the sadist version of God (the biblical one I assume) because... well he's a sadist. Then you come here and give no reason to dislike atheists, you just dislike atheists because they dislike you? That's nonsensical.

Give a reason c'mon... And besides, you should love everyone... 'Dislike' shouldn't be used by Christians when refering to other people. It's not our fault, show us some empathy man!