Say what...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Idolfan
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Say what...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Idolfan
what's wrong with the Holy Spirit? Every major religion has one, just by a different name. But they all do/function the same way making the experience of the 'Holy Spirit', or however you know it by, a universal experience
it can also be
'revelation'
'inspiration'
'the a-ha moment' that scientists experience
feeling 'unconditional love' and so on
What most people, including Christians don't understand is the Holy Spirit can not be 'controlled'. Or 'contained'. It's like movement, a movement of energy. What this means is if anyone tells you the bible has the Holy Spirit, well that's a lie. No inanimate object can have the Holy Spirit. The bible makes it very clear that Holy Spirit and the Word are 'living'. Ignorant christians have took this to mean that bible somehow is living. But if you look at the descriptions closer, both are living because they can only be spoken through, and enacted through, living people. The bible is DEAD because it remains forever the same. But Holy Spirit is a living energy within living people....................it's capable of change and speaking in contemporary language to teach the contemporary people.
It is an energy that is constantly in motion revealing truth. This means that the Holy Spirit speaking through living people today is far beyond what the Holy Spirit was 2000 years ago. The bible is the DEAD in comparison.
The process of bringing this truth is described as being a double ended sword. The image of the sword is to cut through the lies and deception. It's double ended because as the Holy Spirit brings in truth, it reveals your own truth. Cutting through your own lies and deception FIRST.
Take a moment to understand this, with the understanding of other great religions. The Holy Spirit is what destroys your ego, and brings you to Truth, your OWN TRUTH. The process can be liberating, or it can feel like your world is turning upside down.
In the bible it's described as unforgivable to curse/blasphemize the Holy Spirit
People have taken this to mean to literally verbally curse the Holy Spirit, as if the Holy Spirit is only two words in the english language. To curse the Holy Spirit, is to deny it. You can not however deny the energy of the Holy Spirit, it's like denial of denial. It will destroy all illusions, all lies, and all deceptions. And there is nothing you can do to stop it.
The bible has a tendency to use fear based language. But if you apply other great relgions, and advanced christian spirituality - it's not that it's unforgivable ................it's unstoppable. There is no prayer you could ever do to any god here or below to stop the Holy Spirit from turning your world upside down.
The more you deny the Holy Spirit, which stands for the process of revealing greater and greater truths, the more illusionary walls you create. The more illusionary walls you create - all the more the Holy Spirit has to tear them down. Which is why the more you deny the Holy Spirit, the more painful the experience is. It's not a punishment, it's divine physics.
Look at these quotes, and look at them again and think of spirituality today right now
"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."
Jesus makes such a bold statement, that it goes over the heads of his own apostles, and most of Christianity's history for that matter. He says that God is IN him. Then he says that he is in God. And he doesn't end there, he ends off saying, that he is IN you.
This would make no sense to the average Joe 2000 years ago. Fortunately we have the internet today, and we can research every major religion in the world. And it just so happens there are quite a few that say "God is in you because you are actually a part of God" and so on and so on.
If God is in Jesus, and Jesus is in you - what do you think Jesus was really trying to say here? UNDERSTANDING that Jesus admits to speaking in parables - He was trying to tell his apostles that God is in you, because you are actually a part of God. Jesus was so confident in his own teaching, that he says if you believe him - (that is believe you too are God) - you can perform the same miracles he has. How many popes do you know that has even come close to performing a miracle? The catholic church does NOT believe in Jesus teachings.
"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."
Why do we need to be reminded of everything that Jesus taught, unless it was at some point forgotten?
Looking at spirituality today, there is so much literature and discussion out there about Jesus teaching eastern philosophy. Not to meantion the discovery of the Gnostic Jesus which was almost destroyed by catholocism. That Jesus might have actually, in secret marry Mary Magdalene. Making Jesus too human for some, but he was human.
There are even others that believe, that Mother Mary had sex with Josepth and through their intercourse the Spirit of God was with them, and Jesus was concieved. (sexual intercourse? Mother Mary, blasphemy I know) In other words, Jesus was not of a virgin birth in the way we typically think of as virgin. Virgin in this case meant purity. Sex that was pure, tantra.
These truths, are being discovered by Christians more and more every day. Jesus is as popular as ever, as more and more people are being reminded of what he actually taught. Of who he actually was, and who he is
Also, before I forget "teach you all things". This includes science. Science is in the realm of the Holy Spirit
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Originally Posted by Idolfan
Don't get angry
it's not good for you bro
Just want to announce to everyone, this was a really stupid thread for me to start and I am sorry about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carôusoul
I was inappropriately angry and if I do this again I will flush my own head.:(
(but I don't take back what I said to grasshoppa)
See the cool thing is that everyone is totally cool with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idolfan
See.
No need for anger from any party.
:3
Get help man...Get help. I think you should stay out of R&S until you finally figure out if you're the pin or the cushion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idolfan
You have an interesting habit of leaving posts that add absolutely nothing to a discussion other than insulting presentations of your position as a self-appointed moderator. That's all I ever see from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soros
Wow, I don't like to meddle much in this religious bull**** but what are your motivations for disliking Atheists? And it's not the same way... He dislikes Christians that worship the sadist version of God (the biblical one I assume) because... well he's a sadist. Then you come here and give no reason to dislike atheists, you just dislike atheists because they dislike you? That's nonsensical.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing
Give a reason c'mon... And besides, you should love everyone... 'Dislike' shouldn't be used by Christians when refering to other people. It's not our fault, show us some empathy man!
Doubt gives room for desperation. Desperation finds a friend from doubt. Thus, the mind control scheme is complete.