Thread: A message to all endtime Christians

The second coming happened about two millenia ago!

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I am a seventeen year old atheist

It shows...

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

It shows...

Thanks for refuting all the points I have made!

I think your maturity shows as well. After all, only a child would use an ad hominem attack to try distract attention from the focus of the question!

Oh wait...

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Thanks for refuting all the points I have made!

You never made any points you pointed out a couple of verses, what problems do you have with these verses? Because I do not see a problem with either verse. Elaborate on what you are getting at.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I think your maturity shows as well. After all, only a child would use an ad hominem attack to try distract attention from the focus of the question!

Why would you consider that an attack? Are you self-conscious about being 17? That wasn't an attack, I was stating a fact, it shows. Or perhaps I should've went on your level and stated something along these lines...

Originally Posted by Idolfan

YOU FUCKING STUPID IGNORANT HYPOCRITICAL FEAR MONGERING TWIT.

Sounds like something a 17 year old would say. As I stated it shows...

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

You never made any points you pointed out a couple of verses, what problems do you have with these verses? Because I do not see a problem with either verse. Elaborate on what you are getting at.

You know what the problem is, stop playing dumb.

And whether I am immature or not, Kingerman deserved every bit of abuse I gave him for his rapture thred.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

You know what the problem is, stop playing dumb.

If I knew what the problem was I would'nt have asked. So once again can you explain what issues you have here?

Uhm...
What's the point of this?

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

If I knew what the problem was I would'nt have asked. So once again can you explain what issues you have here?

He is saying that, according to the Bible, the second coming of Jesus already happened. That contradicts the notion that the second coming will happen later. I am pretty sure you knew that already.

That's what I'm trying to figure out, but everytime I ask if he could tell me what problems he has with these verses he plays the old Atheist Dodge ball that's so common around here. This thread is ridiculous and stupid made by a ridiculous and stupid Troll.

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

the old Atheist Dodge ball that's so common around here.

That's a good one. You have been making your troll ways way too obvious lately.

If you have a counter to the point that the Bible says the second coming would happen at at time that was nearly 2,000 years before now, tell us about it. Do you think the second coming will happen later or that it already happened?

I'm pretty sure it's about the transfiguration...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_of_Jesus

Universal Mind your Troll levels have been increasing also with your little insignificant little puns.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

If you have a counter to the point that the Bible says the second coming would happen at at time that was nearly 2,000 years before now, tell us about it. Do you think the second coming will happen later or that it already happened?

Counter to what point. You want me to have a counter to his misinterpretation of the verses? Matthew nor Luke is referencing a second coming. As guitarboy pointed out it's regarding his transfiguration in which a preview of the Lord's future coming in his kingdom majesty was observed.

Or if you care to read and stop trolling you may very well find guitarboy's link of interest.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

I'm pretty sure it's about the transfiguration...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_of_Jesus

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

Universal Mind your Troll levels have been increasing also with your little insignificant little puns.



Counter to what point. You want me to have a counter to his misinterpretation of the verses? Matthew nor Luke is referencing a second coming. As guitarboy pointed out it's regarding his transfiguration in which a preview of the Lord's future coming in his kingdom majesty was observed.

Or if you care to read and stop trolling you may very well find guitarboy's link of interest.

Guitarboy to your rescue. It's hilarious how you act like you had that up your sleeve the whole time.

I don't think those verses are about something that happens before the "death" of Jesus. They are pretty direct. They seem to be talking about the second coming.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Guitarboy to your rescue. It's hilarious how you act like you had that up your sleeve the whole time.

You don't know what I have up my sleeve TRICK!

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I don't think those verses are about something that happens before the "death" of Jesus. They are pretty direct. They seem to be talking about the second coming.

It does seem to be pretty direct. It's pretty direct about Christ's transfiguration In the same way Revelation 1:7 and Matthew 24:25-30 is very direct about Christ's second coming in which Christ comes in His kingdom, He will return to Earth and be seen by every eye. There are 9 other things that are bound to take place before his 2nd coming and those 9 things are not listed in Matthew 16:28. In order to figure out the other things that will transpire when Christ comes into his kingdom then you're going to have to do something you hate doing and that's READING.

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

You don't know what I have up my sleeve TRICK!

E-thugs are pretty cool.

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

It does seem to be pretty direct. It's pretty direct about Christ's transfiguration In the same way Revelation 1:7 and Matthew 24:25-30 is very direct about Christ's second coming in which Christ comes in His kingdom, He will return to Earth and be seen by every eye. There are 9 other things that are bound to take place before his 2nd coming and those 9 things are not listed in Matthew 16:28. In order to figure out the other things that will transpire when Christ comes into his kingdom then you're going to have to do something you hate doing and that's READING.

So, coming in his kingdom is coming back the second time? Well, that's what Matthew 16:28 says he will do while his disciples are still alive. It looks like you've revealed that the verse is another example of a Bible contradiction.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

E-thugs are pretty cool.

Thanks for recognizing now get off my nuts.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

So, coming in his kingdom is coming back the second time? Well, that's what Matthew 16:28 says he will do while his disciples are still alive. It looks like you've revealed that the verse is another example of a Bible contradiction.

I'll give you one since you seem to be completely clueless about this and Im starting to feel sorry for you. Read 2 Peter 1:16-18 where the transfiguration is said to be "the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ". This has been confirmed and established as the transfiguration of Christ. What was witness was a future preview of the Lord Christ coming into his Kingdom not a second coming. The reason why it's not a second coming is becuase of those verses I posted above from Revelations and Matthew and if you actually read them like I suggested earlier you wouldn't sound like such a clown right now.

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

I'll give you one since you seem to be completely clueless about this and Im starting to feel sorry for you. Read 2 Peter 1:16-18 where the transfiguration is said to be "the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ". This has been confirmed and established as the transfiguration of Christ. What was witness was a future preview of the Lord Christ coming into his Kingdom not a second coming. The reason why it's not a second coming is becuase of those verses I posted above from Revelations and Matthew and if you actually read them like I suggested earlier you wouldn't sound like such a clown right now.

Your insults are not clearing things up, not that they ever did before. I'll make this extremely simple.

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

Matthew 24:25-30 is very direct about Christ's second coming in which Christ comes in His kingdom

You said that, right? Now read Matthew 16:28.

According to your characterization of Christ coming in his kingdom, Matthew 16:28 says the second coming will happen while the disciples are still alive.

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Do you see the word "preview" in there?

I know you're just a troll, but there are people reading this who want to understand the truth.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Your insults are not clearing things up, not that they ever did before. I'll make this extremely simple.

If you stop being such a Troll and actaully read my posts then you wouldn't be so mindfucked right now.


Now for the last time.

The following is taken from John Darby's Synopsis of the Books of the Bible, Volume 3, page 137:

In each Gospel that speaks of it, the transfiguration immediately follow the promise of not tasting death before seeing the kingdom of the Son of Man. And not only so, but Peter (in his second Epistle, 1:16), when speaking of this scene, declares that it was a manifestation of the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He says that the word of prophecy was confirmed to them by the view of His majesty; so that they knew that whereof they spoke, in making known to them the power and the coming of Christ, having beheld His majesty. In fact it is precisely in this sense that the Lord speaks of it here, as we have seen. It was a sample of the glory in which He would hereafter come, given to confirm the faith of His disciples in the prospect of His death which He had just announced to them.

Now if you cannot understand this, then you're hopeless as in there is not hope whatsoever for you.

That is a ridiculous bunch of fluff. Matthew 16:28 says absolutely nothing about a preview or a manifestation of greatness or anything like that. It says the second coming itself will happen, not an understanding of the second coming or the capability of the second coming or a video tape of it that was sent back in time. It says the second coming will happen while the disciples are still alive. Here is the verse again. Tell my why you feel so okay about making up shit that is not in it?

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Multiple choice question for you: Fill in the blank with the correct wording from Matthew 16:28.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the _____________________________________.

A. video sent back in time of the Son of man coming in his kingdom
B. transgression
C. preview of the Son of man coming in his kingdom
D. I'm an e-thug, Trick!
E. Son of man coming in his kingdom

Which is the correct answer?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

That is a ridiculous bunch of fluff. Matthew 16:28 says absolutely nothing about a preview or a manifestation of greatness or anything like that. It says the second coming itself will happen, not an understanding of the second coming or the capability of the second coming or a video tape of it that was sent back in time. It says the second coming will happen while the disciples are still alive. Here is the verse again. Tell my why you feel so okay about making up shit that is not in it?

Because Matthew 16:28 is talking about the TRANSFIGURATION. This is confirmed in 2 Peter 1:16-18 where the transfiguration is said to be "the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ". In order to grasp the full understanding and not be completely lost as you are then you have to apply verses, that why its called a Bible Book not a Bible "verse"

What are your thoughts on 2 Peter 1:16-18?

I think it says this...

16)For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

17)For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18)And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

They were eye witnesses of his majesty. They made the "coming" known and saw his majesty. What does that have to do with Matthew 16:28 supposedly talking about "coming" being a "transgression" or "preview"? Also, they heard God talking, not in the form of Jesus.

Now fill in that blank. Don't forget.

The first coming of Christ was Jesus' birth. You might be confusing the second coming as the resurrection. Mind telling what books those are from?

Originally Posted by guitarboy

The first coming of Christ was Jesus' birth. You might be confusing the second coming as the resurrection.

I am talking about what Matthew 16:28 talks about. When Jesus comes in his kingdom.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

Mind telling what books those are from?

The gospels. Why?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

They were eye witnesses of his majesty. They made the "coming" known and saw his majesty. What does that have to do with Matthew 16:28 supposedly talking about "coming" being a "transgression" or "preview"?

Good now that we agree that Peter has confirmed a witnessing of Christ Transfiguration you can apply this to Matthew 16:28 as he was one of the witnesses of his future coming in His kingdom. This is Peter's own interpretation of the Transfiguration. Compare also John 1:14

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Multiple choice question for you: Fill in the blank with the correct wording from Matthew 16:28.

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the _____________________________________.

A. video sent back in time of the Son of man coming in his kingdom
B. transgression
C. preview of the Son of man coming in his kingdom
D. I'm an e-thug, Trick!
E. Son of man coming in his kingdom

Which is the correct answer?

Now fill in that blank. Don't forget.

Answer: E. Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Now no one is saying they did not witness Christ coming in his kingdom, but he is not coming INTO his kingdom here this is not a 2nd coming. Revelation speaks of Christ coming INTO his kingdom and what must transpire at or around that time. The things that were mentioned obviously had not taken place back then.

Now my turn. Multiple choice question for you: Fill in the blank with the correct wording of Peters Interpretation of Christ from 2 peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when_____________________________

A. Son of man coming in his kingdom
B. I'm a simple minded atheist
C. Judgement day
D. I do not like reading.
E. we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.