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      well, look. dannon's response below was basically the type of advice i was hoping for.

      i said i was looking for advice from like-minded people. why would i want to hear from christians that i am insulting them and my intolerance knows no limits?

      really, why would you post here about that unless you only read the title of the thread and not its contents? do so many people skip the body of the original post just so they can drop by and confuse things, distorting the intent of the OP?

      if you would actually read my posts you would see that i posted the original topic to figure out how i can reconcile my mostly verified criticism of certain aspects of christianity with my desire to not get carried away with wantonly demonizing people.

      maybe some day we'll have a more constructive way to discuss this kind of thing.

      this has steered off course since the response below. unless you have something constructive to post, just ignore this thread.



      Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
      I look down on Christians also.
      If they keep it private I can look past it.
      If they are open-minded but just happen to admire Jesus Christ for his myth that is cool. Hey, I even admire Jesus.
      But people who try to shape the world according to what a book says and who think that they are saved and everyone who doesn't believe what they do is damned, I have no respect for that.
      I have no respect for people who try to make one feel guilty.
      I also have anger towards what Christianity has done to the world and other people like you do. I have anger towards anyone who can take a message for loving everyone unconditionally and turning into an excuse for genocide, torture, etc.

      Are we intolerant? Yes, we are, but maybe not enough.
      But, really, we should try to look past it in individuals and just see them as another human like ourselves, no matter how misguided. But for Christianity as a whole, we should be intolerant to it, as well as any organized religion. Organized religion is the root of evil in my opinion. Unorganized Pagan Spirituality and mysticism is cool by me.
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      When I first saw this thread, it kind of fustrated me. Now that i have come back to it, I can say, as a Christian, there are other Christians that I am intolerant of. Those that are out just for money, Those that use their position (as a priest etc) to pray on kids and others, those that do nothing but judge others etc...So yes, I guess I am intolerant of some that call themselves Chrisitans as well. Christians shouldn't be generalized.
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      Honestly, I tend to be disgusted by Christianity. I lose whatever pseudo-respect I might have for a person when it comes to their idiocy.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ClouD View Post
      Honestly, I tend to be disgusted by Christianity. I lose whatever pseudo-respect I might have for a person when it comes to their idiocy.
      Why's that? Do you think all Christians are alike?

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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      Why's that? Do you think all Christians are alike?
      That's not the point.

      Belief disgusts me. Bigotry and inconsideration specifically. Slapping a term to yourself seems no less stupid to me either.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Why's that? Do you think all Christians are alike?
      This wasn't addressed to me but I made a similar point so I'll also respond.

      I don't treat all Christians as if they are the same because they are not. There are varying degrees of belief. I still automatically think less of Christians for believing in this nonsense, but the actual degree varies considerably.

      It can vary from "I generally respect that person a lot but they're being silly there" to "I have complete contempt for this person".

      I can also respect a person in one or more dimensions, or as a whole whilst still thinking less of them in regards to their religious beliefs.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ClouD View Post
      Honestly, I tend to be disgusted by Christianity. I lose whatever pseudo-respect I might have for a person when it comes to their idiocy.
      I find life a lot more interesting greeting others as equals and seeing through their eyes as well as my own.
      If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama



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      just thought i'd point out

      Quote Originally Posted by cygnus View Post
      well, look. dannon's response below was basically the type of advice i was hoping for.

      i said i was looking for advice from like-minded people. why would i want to hear from christians that i am insulting them and my intolerance knows no limits?

      really, why would you post here about that unless you only read the title of the thread and not its contents? do so many people skip the body of the original post just so they can drop by and confuse things, distorting the intent of the OP?

      if you would actually read my posts you would see that i posted the original topic to figure out how i can reconcile my mostly verified criticism of certain aspects of christianity with my desire to not get carried away with wantonly demonizing people.

      maybe some day we'll have a more constructive way to discuss this kind of thing.

      this has steered off course since the response below. unless you have something constructive to post, just ignore this thread.

      Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
      I look down on Christians also.
      If they keep it private I can look past it.
      If they are open-minded but just happen to admire Jesus Christ for his myth that is cool. Hey, I even admire Jesus.
      But people who try to shape the world according to what a book says and who think that they are saved and everyone who doesn't believe what they do is damned, I have no respect for that.
      I have no respect for people who try to make one feel guilty.
      I also have anger towards what Christianity has done to the world and other people like you do. I have anger towards anyone who can take a message for loving everyone unconditionally and turning into an excuse for genocide, torture, etc.

      Are we intolerant? Yes, we are, but maybe not enough.
      But, really, we should try to look past it in individuals and just see them as another human like ourselves, no matter how misguided. But for Christianity as a whole, we should be intolerant to it, as well as any organized religion. Organized religion is the root of evil in my opinion. Unorganized Pagan Spirituality and mysticism is cool by me.


      THIS!

      there are enough threads about how lame christianity is.
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