Thread: Why do religious nuts think metal is evil?

"You know, I just stay away from it. Even if there are some good Christian metal bands out there, there are also some pretty crumby ones.

Some people can control what they listen to, others can't. I can control what I listen to.

I can also control my alcohol consumption, because that's just me. But I would never do it in front of anybody, because they might NOT be able to control it, and abuse it.

I don't want to be a stumbling block. If there is a Christian who can handle Christian metal, good for him. I won't be stopping him. It really just boils down to ones personal conscience."

EXCELLENT reply, Noogah. You sound like one of Jehovah's Witnesses Your example of alcohol use and the potential of stumbling others is an example I've often heard.

For me, it's not being "controlled" etc. it's having a love for others and God. Just because I enjoy listening to Jekyll and Hyde (the musical), other Christians may be offended by it. The imagery could disturb their conscience.
So, I don't go around telling everyone to listen to it and neither do I bash anyone for their personal preferences.

But, here are three guidelines that Jehovah's Witnesses (and other denominations may) go by concerning ALL forms of entertainment:
Philippians 4:8:
"Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well spoken of, whatever virtue there is and whatever praiseworthy thing there is, continue considering these things."

3 John 11:
"Beloved one, be an imitator, not of what is bad, but of what is good. He that does good originates with God. He that does bad has not seen God."

1 Corinthians 10:23, 24
"All things are lawful; but not all things are advantageous. All things are lawful; but not all things build up. 24*Let each one keep seeking, not his own [advantage], but that of the other person."

So, Metal isn't exclusively "evil". Rather, what's to be avoided by Christians are subjects contrary to the nature of God and the message of love for God and man as found in the Bible.

Such subjects as to be avoided are:
Fornication, greediness, spiritism, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, theft, violence, drunkenness, reviling, extortion, lying etc
1 Cor. 6:9; Eph. 5:5; Rev. 22:15.

Exactly where the line is drawn, however, is up to each individual and their own conscience.

For instance, for awhile I had a problem with all things Disney After all, the trademark of Disney Land is the "Magical Kingdom".
But there was a faithful Sister in my Congregation who collected all things Disney lol and her favorite character was Tinker Bell.
She never forced her views onto me and I never forced mine upon her.

wait...are you saying you have a problem with magic even if its not being advocated as real?

also, Im suprised no one has mentioned PILLAR. They are a christian metal band who I can definitely listen to.






EDIT: I realize this song in particular may not seem to be christian on the surface, but it is an example of how good christian based metal bands can be. And while the lyrics may not seem exactly like it on the surface, look in to the verses a little deeper Weather christian or not, this song is an amazing motivator I love it.

Nice song. Doesn't seem so much like Heavy Metal to me but Rock (I think I confuse Metal with Scream-O ???)

Because of all the magick I practiced in my past, it's hard for *me* to step back and enjoy fictional magic. It stirs within me a return to my former ways, so it's easier to avoid it completely than face internal confliction.

I'm over my teetotaler (sp) attitude for the most part... but then again, I'm not a completely practicing Christian at this time either lol *sigh* So, :shrug: ...
Finding a perfect balance is seemingly impossible for me.

FYI, there is no possible way to become 'addicted' to music.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

(I think I confuse Metal with Scream-O ???)

many many people have this confusion (though, you are right that song is a little slow to be metal) I quite enjoy my metal where the person actually sings, and growls are just an accent. but full on screamo..ugh...lol

edit: Im only asking this because you have had prior experience...but are there circles of magick that actually believe in the whole making fire come out of your hands or just poofing someone away? Not the more everything is on the astral and magick is just making change stuff that I hear about these days.

Wow. I see a lot of talk here about guitar tone in relation to levels of perceived satanicness. Let me just state for the record that if there really does exist someone who bases the "pureness" of a type of music based on whether or not a guitar uses distortion effects, they probably deserve to be nailed to a cross. An upside-down one, at that.

Honestly, though, I really don't think there are as many metal-hating "religious nuts" as you think. For one thing, a lot of people who dislike metal aren't even religious. For another, a lot of religious people DO, in fact, listen to metal. You don't have to agree with the lyrics in order to enjoy the music. (Lyrics are the least important and most expendable element of music, in my opinion.) That's why it's possible for Tom Araya of Slayer to sing about antichrists and whatnot while he's onstage or in the studio, while being a devoted Catholic at home.

Originally Posted by Lëzen

(Lyrics are the least important and most expendable element of music, in my opinion.)

I second this opinion. I listen to music for music. I rarely even know the lyrics to songs.

music and lyrics can influence someone's religious background,vice versa,most people are smart enough to,tune out,what they dislike,when you rationalize whats inappropriate,negative for others, u should be careful,for ex.(i personally find alot of club music/techno,meaningless,uncreative and without soul,i usually keeop that opinion to myself to avoid criticism)when tipper gore started her crusade against the music industry(profanity,demeaning lyrics) those artists probably sold more albums, i think theres really no such thing as bad publicity

Yeah, I think the more people complain, the more it makes others curious.

I NEED good lyrics and a good harmony (when such are there). I like classical and other instrumentals... but if lyrics are there, they have to be good and be understandable lol.

[I was a solitary practicioner of magic, and I personally don't believe in that stuff. I don't know if others do.]

I'd rather surf the wake of fire with good tunes than spend eternity in heaven with Jonas Brothers.

I see zhaylin, thanks for the reply~~

lol special, I doubt the Jonas Brothers will be up in heaven, they are obviously an abomination to God as well...but not for their music.

The Beatles were considered terrible guys by really conservative people from the beginning. It was because the tight asses thought The Beatles' hair was too long.



Extremely short hair was the norm at the time.

when john said they were bigger than jesus alot people when batshit and started burning,protesting their albums,but when lady madonna came out, which is pretty more demeaning to christians, everyone was like..hey thats cool

The reason I don't care much for Beattles is only partly because of their music. What do I have against it? No offense, but I personally don't consider the noise that they made to be music. More like psychotic and disturbing babble sung by someone who sounds like his nose is plugged up to an annoying and repetitive tune.

Most prominent was their life style, and I don't mean their hair either. I mean their use of substance. As in alchohol, drugs, and smoking. The younger generation looked up the group, and they were an overall unclean example.

actually as a musician, i think the white album was unpredictable and ahead of its time,however i'm bias towards certain types of music,i suppose what one considers noise could be anothers mans treasure,anyway as the beatles being an unclean example, compared to other popular artists at the time,bob dylan, look at keith richards,he probably bought enough coke to support a mexican drugcartel

Oh, well of course.

Since other people were worse the Beattles means that the Beattles did not live poor life styles.

What if a murdered someone, and someone else murdered five people? Would you look up to either of us? After all, the other guy did something worse than me.

EDIT: Sorry, that was a little sarcastic. I think I'm in a poor mood right now.

Noogah, you need to give the Beatles another look. They are the best musical act of all time. What songs of theirs have you heard?

At first, they were hated simply for their hair. Later, it was because of Lennon's comment about Jesus and because they supported marijuana legalization. They did not smoke pot on camera or tell kids they should smoke pot. They just stood up for rights.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

They are the best musical act of all time.

That's debatable.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What songs of theirs have you heard?

Not much. Some stuff about fish heads, a yellow submarine in a garden, a walrus, some other stuff. That was all I needed to decide that I did not like the Beattles music.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

At first, they were hated simply for their hair.

Reference, please.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

They did not smoke pot on camera or tell kids they should smoke pot.

That isn't the point. they were a strong influence to the younger generation, and thus, many followed the example to seem "cool"

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

They just stood up for rights.

:snorts:

They smoked pot, and therefore stood up for rights. Nice logic buddy.

Originally Posted by Noogah

That's debatable.

Their top level of success and influence isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._music_artists

http://listverse.com/2007/12/11/top-...ial-musicians/

Originally Posted by Noogah

Not much. Some stuff about fish heads, a yellow submarine in a garden, a walrus, some other stuff. That was all I needed to decide that I did not like the Beattles music.

Fish heads???? That's a comedy song by Barnes and Barnes. John Lennon had a solo album called Shaved Fish. "Yellow Submarine" and "Octopus Garden" are two different songs, and they are sung by Ringo Starr, the drummer who had one lead vocal bone thrown at him every album. I don't think he had any business singing lead vocals. "I am the Walrus" is a great song, but it is not very representative of Beatles songs. It is a John Lennon wild card that is really bizarre and surreal. So, none of those songs work as good representations of Beatles music. Try these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlARWNk3EuU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcB5kZ2P1-0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsrQgIQSQSw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3cUe...eature=related

Originally Posted by Noogah

Reference, please.

Google "Beatles hair controversial". It's common knowledge.

Originally Posted by Noogah

That isn't the point. they were a strong influence to the younger generation, and thus, many followed the example to seem "cool"

:snorts:

They smoked pot, and therefore stood up for rights. Nice logic buddy.

They pretty much just minded their own business with pot except they threw in a few indirect references in a few of their songs. They were not pot promoters. Besides, it's merely pot. It's not like they were professional football players advertising beer or something.

aaahhh

Bad Beatles. Singing those drug songs about some walrus in a submarine.
Don't they know that marihuana is unclean? That's worse than that,..
what's it called,... metal?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Fish heads???? That's a comedy song by Barnes and Barnes.

Oops. Lol. Shows how much I know about 'em.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Their top level of success and influence isn't.

S=RT2

The equivalent of succes, and talent.

It's not like they were professional football players advertising beer or something.

It still makes a difference to me.

Anyway I'm not getting on to you about it. If you like the Beattles, good for you. It's just my prerogative.

Originally Posted by Romans 14:14, KJV

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

I might check out those links if I feel like it. I'm a little pressed for time at the moment, just on a quick DV break.

I'm not a nut, but I fucking love metal.

I'm Catholic, my view on the following.

Not much. Some stuff about fish heads, a yellow submarine in a garden, a walrus, some other stuff. That was all I needed to decide that I did not like the Beattles music.

Face Palm

Reference, please.

Common knowledge, actually, google "beatles hair" and you'll no doubt find it.


That isn't the point. they were a strong influence to the younger generation, and thus, many followed the example to seem "cool"

Many people have smoked pot, the ones that sing about it and tell kids it's cool are the ones you worry about, not the ones that were known tokers but never said anything like " smoke dope kids, it's fun"


They smoked pot, and therefore stood up for rights. Nice logic buddy.

They signed a petition to legalize marijuana. http://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/07/...-of-marijuana/
Pot being illegal is against our rights, open your mind a bit.

http://www.ebeneezer.net/ritual/vege...site/bible.htm