Thread: What evidence do you need?

There's too many missing links in the theory of Evolution (for humans)

Care to give examples?

It's just what it is, a theory, nothing more.

This statement has been corrected so many times now that it's not even funny anymore... when talking science, a theory is the highest achieveable status that can be achieved. Just like the theory of gravitation. The fact that it's a theory goes to show that it is so because there's a likely reason to believe it's true due to piles of evidence and observations that point in direction of the general idea.

Besides, evolution is linked to survival of the fittest right? If that's the case, and ppl think we evolved from monkeys. Why are there still monkeys living till this day? And I doubt they're gonna die out anytime soon.

This statement seems to imply that you know very little about how evolution works. That is not to be taken as an offence Besides that point "survival of the fittest" is commonly a missused term when it comes to evolution. It was originally a term used for natural selection, but in the modern idea, and darwins own, it have nothing to do with best physical shape, rather its about adapting to environments. A very rough explanation I'd say.

The fact that there's still monkeys today have nothing to do with us, we just share a common ancestor. It's not like there's only one direct route that goes from ape --> human and that's it, there's many types of apes, and we're just a branch of that.

Missing links do not disprove evolution either, as you have to realise that fossils can be lost due to various reasons when we're talking this huge amount of time and changes that happens to the earth.

@ SomeDreamer: From monkey/ape to cavemen to ancient civilizations and finally to us. It basically leap frogs from point A to point B to point C.

I'm not dissing Evolution believers, since there was a point in time I believed in it too. That was after I was brain washed into believing in the bible. Basically there's not enough evidence for me to believe in either.

SomeDreamer: From monkey/ape to cavemen to ancient civilizations and finally to us. It basically leap frogs from point A to point B to point C.

But you have to consider that there IS documented change for this process:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

It might not deliver the entire single step of the process, but alltogether it gives a good idea of how it all happened, and can't see how it would be unreasonable to stick with this idea as it is, as far as I know, the best way to explain how it all happened with observation.

I'm not dissing Evolution believers, since there was a point in time I believed in it too. That was after I was brain washed into believing in the bible. Basically there's not enough evidence for me to believe in either.

I hope you didn't think I was saying that ^^ It's okay to question and disagree of course, no problems there. I would just hope that you have a valid reason as to why you do not think enough evidence is present. All I'm doing here is provide some material that you atleast could consider I respect your own opinion on the subject.

Originally Posted by SomeDreamer

But you have to consider that there IS documented change for this process:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

It might not deliver the entire single step of the process, but alltogether it gives a good idea of how it all happened, and can't see how it would be unreasonable to stick with this idea as it is, as far as I know, the best way to explain how it all happened with observation.



I hope you didn't think I was saying that ^^ It's okay to question and disagree of course, no problems there. I would just hope that you have a valid reason as to why you do not think enough evidence is present. All I'm doing here is provide some material that you atleast could consider I respect your own opinion on the subject.

Well, you could say I believe in Evolution... but not how you believe in it lol. It's just my way of filling in the gaps. When scientists uncover more evidence to back up their theory, I'd gladly add it to my ball of data and try to make sense of it all.

Originally Posted by TamiDoll

Well, you could say I believe in Evolution... but not how you believe in it lol. It's just my way of filling in the gaps. When scientists uncover more evidence to back up their theory, I'd gladly add it to my ball of data and try to make sense of it all.

THANK YOU!!!! For being open to change! So many people aren't.

^ The truth

Originally Posted by Mario92

THANK YOU!!!! For being open to change! So many people aren't.

Lol all cool. I'm surrounded by ppl (in person) that aren't so open. Errr, can get rather annoying really. It's fine for them to try and force their beliefs on me, but when I try to explain to them why I don't believe in it, all hell breaks loose lol. It's such a sensitive subject huh.

Originally Posted by TamiDoll

Well, you could say I believe in Evolution... but not how you believe in it lol. It's just my way of filling in the gaps. When scientists uncover more evidence to back up their theory, I'd gladly add it to my ball of data and try to make sense of it all.

To be honest there's already overwhelming evidence for evolution (both evolution itself and the theory of evolution by natural selection, which is different).

If there wasn't it wouldn't be science.

The word 'theory' does not mean 'hypothesis' in this context, it means 'well established explanatory framework'. In the same way that we have the theory of gravitation; gravity is a patent fact.

Just to expand on what SD said, monkeys can best be thought of as a close cousin, rather than a grandfather or uncle. Long ago, there was a species that split into the simian and the human races. From there, both races have evolved separately and independently of each other.

As for the many "holes" in evolution, are you referring to the fossil record, or just the general trend of flaws? If it is the former, see one of the above posts. If it is the latter, I would greatly appreciate examples.

While I do not agree with your opinion, I do respect it.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Just to expand on what SD said, monkeys can best be thought of as a close cousin, rather than a grandfather or uncle. Long ago, there was a species that split into the simian and the human races. From there, both races have evolved separately and independently of each other.

As for the many "holes" in evolution, are you referring to the fossil record, or just the general trend of flaws? If it is the former, see one of the above posts. If it is the latter, I would greatly appreciate examples.

While I do not agree with your opinion, I do respect it.

The prob with me is I find there's too many things on this planet that doesn't make sense and doesn't have answers. If I believe in Evolution, even more things would be left screwing with my mind.

I know I don't make much sense now, and I'm not providing any solid proof whatsoever to go against this thread. But what I think makes a whole lot of sense to me (which like I said, I shall not share lol). The theory of Evolution is just a mere sub topic for everything that makes sense in my head.

Originally Posted by TamiDoll

The prob with me is I find there's too many things on this planet that doesn't make sense and doesn't have answers. If I believe in Evolution, even more things would be left screwing with my mind.

I know I don't make much sense now, and I'm not providing any solid proof whatsoever to go against this thread. But what I think makes a whole lot of sense to me (which like I said, I shall not share lol). The theory of Evolution is just a mere sub topic for everything that makes sense in my head.

Hey, whatever makes you happy. You're not hurting anyone, so I have no problem! Thank you for at least stating what you believe, why, and why you will not change your opinion...