Thread: The science of the Holy Spirit?

Me? I don't think anybody has done any research on the topic, and if they did, I doubt as though much (if anything) could be found.

Theoretically, communication from the Holy Spirit is done through our being. Our being is in the spiritual realm, not the physical.

If I give you a lobotomy, is that spiritual or physical?

Originally Posted by Noogah

Me? I don't think anybody has done any research on the topic, and if they did, I doubt as though much (if anything) could be found.

They'd probably find large amounts of serotonin and other chemicals in their brain and find that most of those people have extremely addictive personalities.

Theoretically, communication from the Holy Spirit is done through our being. Our being is in the spiritual realm, not the physical.

Your brain is the only essential part of your being. Damage that, and you damage your being. Nothing to do with some nonsense spiritual realm, unfortunately.

Heh. Physical. But I wouldn't trust you to give me a lobotomy, because I doubt you have a medical degree.

Originally Posted by A roxxor

Your brain is the only essential part of your being. Damage that, and you damage your being. Nothing to do with some nonsense spiritual realm, unfortunately.

But of course oh all powerful proffesor.

Prove it.

Originally Posted by Noogah

But of course oh all powerful proffesor.

Prove it.

Okay. Go get a nail, and shove it into your foot. Then, get another and put it into your skull. Which one will cause more damage to you?

Hint: It's not the one in your foot.

Claiming there is some mystical realm that your memories and brain functions reside in is about as unfounded and superfluous as it gets. Prove to me that there isn't a server at the center of the sun that is the source of life and is your final resting place when you die

Your logic. If we shove a nail in our brains, we die. Therefore, we have no spirit.

Think again Einstein. The brain is the spirit's medium. If our brain no longer functions, than neither can our body. But that does not prove that there is no spirit.

Not necessarily die, but your persona will be damaged. Hence, you do not have a spirit that somehow controls you or is a part of you. It is your brain. You just said it:

The brain is the spirit's medium.

Judging by that statement alone, you seem to believe that this spirit object somehow IS your brain, without actually being your brain. How do you explain mental disorders, and the fact that the brain is they key to consciousness? What you are stating is completely unfounded and superfluous to reality.

Come back with some proof, or at least a coherent hypothesis and maybe we'll talk.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Your logic. If we shove a nail in our brains, we die. Therefore, we have no spirit.

Think again Einstein. The brain is the spirit's medium. If our brain no longer functions, than neither can our body. But that does not prove that there is no spirit.

We have evidence to contradict this.

Somebody link this guy to that video where the woman speaker passionately describes how she temporarily lost certain cognitive abilities when she had a stroke.

Done.

Jill Bolte Taylor got a research opportunity few brain scientists would wish for: She had a massive stroke, and watched as her brain functions -- motion, speech, self-awareness -- shut down one by one. An astonishing story.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/ji...f_insight.html

Originally Posted by A roxxor

Judging by that statement alone, you seem to believe that this spirit object somehow IS your brain, without actually being your brain.

REVIEW:Your spirit and body are hypothetically seperate, and therefore are unable to work as one.

Is it really a stumper? C'mon man! It's not such a hard concept. Go watch Surrogates.

Actually, nevermind. I should just use an analogy.

You are in your car. You control your car. Thus, you are a car. Nope! One could say that you become a part of your car, but really, the two are completely seperate. If, while driving, your power stearing becomes unstable, you gain a potentially dangerous disadvantage.(Mental disorder) Problems such as this can sometmes be fixed by visitng a mechanic, who will perform maintenance. (Therapy; brain surgery)

However, if your car breaks down too much on the road, you have to leave it, and wait for it to be fixed before using it any further. (Comparable to OBE's due to injury)

Sometimes, the car get's totalled, and can no longer be used, or fixed. (Physical death)

However, the human will (sometimes) remain unscathed.

Originally Posted by Black Eagle

Somebody link this guy to that video where the woman speaker passionately describes how she temporarily lost certain cognitive abilities when she had a stroke.

Your brain is only a tool that the spirit uses to manifest itself physically. Your eyes give the spirit a way to see outside. Your nerves give it a way to feel. Your ears to hear, nose to smell, tounge to taste.

If your brain is damaged, then so is your spirits ability to operate in your body. If you lose your eyes, the spirit loses it's channel of sight.

Of course, the physical vody is amazing to be sure, it cannot give the spirit the surround quality that the spirit has on it's own. People who astral project/induce OBE's will tell you this. The same goes for a car. You can't see/hear/smell/etc. nearly as well in your car as you can on your own.

In Heaven, I believe ll beings are in spirit form, with physics similar to the astral realm.

I think this addresses most (hopefully all) the points that everybody else presented?

Make sense?

I've seen a few very interesting arguments on the drug-like nature of religion (religious festivals inducing euphoric states, for example), which people are conditioned to associate with the religion.

Further evidence for this would be the banning of other substitute activities as best possible (no sex before marriage and only for procreation, don't take drugs etc). Or 'rival dealers' as tooltime puts it.

I would speculate that similar brain activity occurs in the religious when thinking about the holy spirit, as a drug addict getting their latest fix.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Heh. Physical. But I wouldn't trust you to give me a lobotomy, because I doubt you have a medical degree.

You don't need a medical degree to give lobotomies. All you need is an ice pick.

So about your spirit "hypothesis". What characteristics does it have?

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Has there been any research done into what happens in the human brain when people claim to feel the Holy Spirit?

Well, there been dozens of studies about near dead experiences. Also the Holy Spirit in the brain is examened. There is a relation between the feelings and the pineal gland. The small piece of brain which survived the evolution.
This part of the brain is also used for the fight/ flight responses.

I think when you look up the pineal gland on internet you will be convinced about some theories.

I have some experience with DMT, this is a product of the pineal gland which can be chemical produced but can also be found in some herbs. This is very interesting because this "drugs" is released by the pineal gland.

I'm convinced about the Holy Spirit in the Pineal Gland.

Ps. Therefore I don't use any fluor in my toothpaste, fluor can damage this pineale gland.

Originally Posted by White horse

Well, there been dozens of studies about near dead experiences. Also the Holy Spirit in the brain is examened. There is a relation between the feelings and the pineaple gland. The small piece of brain wich survived the evolution.
This part of the brain is also used for the fight/ flight responses.

I think when you look up the pineaple gland on internet you will be convinced about some theories.

I have some experience with DMT, this is a product of the pineaple gland which can be chemical produced but can also be found in some herbs. This is very interesting because this "drugs" is released by the pineaple gland.

I'm convinced about the Holy Spirit in the Pineaple Gland.

Ps. Therefore I don't use any fluor in my toothpaste, fluor can damage this pineaple gland.

English language fail.

I DO NOT HAVE A PINEAPPLE IN MY BRAIN!

Originally Posted by ExoByte

English language fail.

I DO NOT HAVE A PINEAPPLE IN MY BRAIN!

Yeah, I ment pineal. Hoewever you can't be sure, have you ever looked?

Originally Posted by White horse

Yeah, I ment pineal. Hoewever you can't be sure, have you ever looked?

Are you ready to jump off of a bridge onto a highway? I mean, do you know that you won't be pulled back up the moment before you hit the road and be run over? I admit that I don't know that it wouldn't happen, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't, luckily sure enough that I wouldn't try it.

For the same reason I don't need omniscience to deduce that I don't have a pineapple in my head.

I want a pineapple gland Lucky Dutch.

I don't have any studies for you, Idolfan, but for a great exploration of being "in the Spirit," try Michael Bishop's short story Among the Handlers or, The Mark 16 Hands On Assembly of Jesus Risen, Formerly Snake-o-rama.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Has there been any research done into what happens in the human brain when people claim to feel the Holy Spirit?

The just smoked pot is starting to take an effect?

I think this thread has pretty much been abused enough. Once again, the OP reviews little, to no attention, and instead you guys payed attention to all the little bunny trails.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I think this thread has pretty much been abused enough. Once again, the OP reviews little, to no attention, and instead you guys payed attention to all the little bunny trails.

Says the marginally coherent fellow with the poofy white ass-bobble and floppy ears.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I think this thread has pretty much been abused enough. Once again, the OP reviews little, to no attention, and instead you guys payed attention to all the little bunny trails.

Will you answer my question?

What characteristics does the spirit have?

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't really get the question.

Could you be a little more specific? I'm being serious. Not trying to be a jerk.

So the soul is "out there" and connected to "here". It get's info and makes a choice, which is always "bad". What makes the soul the way it is, why are souls different from one another, do the differences just "pop out of nothing" (as you guys often say about the Big Bang). I guess it's all deterministic but has free will. I might conclude with: How can God claim to be just if he made the universe so some people are "lucky" enough to believe and some not?