Thread: Why Do People Think Satan/Lucifer/The Devil Reigns In Hell?

You won't reign in Hell. I think the Bible is quite clear that you will be punished in Hell. You will be subjected to the torture. Satan doesn't invite you to reign with him, he trys to sneak you into suffering with him.

Oh, and BTW. Once we die, people won't necessarily just go to Hell right off. The souls may await until judgement day.

Originally Posted by Noogah

You won't reign in Hell. I think the Bible is quite clear that you will be punished in Hell. You will be subjected to the torture. Satan doesn't invite you to reign with him, he trys to sneak you into suffering with him.

Oh, and BTW. Once we die, people won't necessarily just go to Hell right off. The souls may await until judgement day.

When humans die, their brains stop working. Since consciousness is the product of your brain, it is extremely illogical to assume that you will live on somehow, given that there is no evidence or reason for this belief other than the continuation of the church.

Unless of course you have a soul. No one has ever shown how consciousness is somehow the product of your physical brain. A mass of matter, chemicals, and electricity.

No one has ever shown that a program is the product of billions of simple processes inside of a modern computer, providing of course that you discard all evidence leading to this and instead substitute this idea with the idea that a computer program is the metaphysical projection of a force outside of reality that interacts with the computer. The idea is not only baseless, but shows general ignorance in the area of logical thinking.

I mean, which is more likely -> The earth was created by aliens, or, that the earth formed in the disc of dust that surrounded the young sun? Which is more likely, that the pyramids at giza were created by a superbeing that visited earth and decided to waste a monstrous amount of energy performing such a feat, or that over many years, the pyramids were contructed by thousands of individual egyptians.

As someone stated before, theories aren't proven, they are supported. Souls are not supported at all.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

When humans die, their brains stop working. Since consciousness is the product of your brain, it is extremely illogical to assume that you will live on somehow, given that there is no evidence or reason for this belief other than the continuation of the church.

Those NDE's like Pam Reynolds say otherwise. There wont need to be an aware project if this was an open and shut case. It's a debatable case as to what happens.

So it's been proven that you can come back to life after your brain has completely shut down?

A computer can think, but it does not have awareness. That's my point. No, it hasn't been proven, but it's a pretty good idea to say that there is a little more to humans than matter, chemicals, and electricity.

Maybe. Personally I think she was reliving what little bits of information her sensory perception had received before she went comatose. Also, it is good to note that all skin cells are light-sensitive, and the immense strain on the brain may have caused it to create imagery that didn't exist, or was a contortion of what really was. There is also the problem of personal bias and exaggeration.

It is certainly interesting, but doesn't necessarily point to anything metaphysical as all the things she experienced were physical and comprehensible to her.

Originally Posted by Noogah

A computer can think, but it does not have awareness. That's my point. No, it hasn't been proven, but it's a pretty good idea to say that there is a little more to humans than matter, chemicals, and electricity.

Humans can think. It is because of this that they are aware. To claim that there is an unseen dimension to existence that controls reality is absurd and baseless and warrants being ignored and doubted.

By the way, chemicals are made of matter, which is a form of energy.

It is hilarious that 99% of Christians don't even uderstand their own mythology.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

So what if he let his son die, that's his problem. If he's stupid enough to make and kill his son, then why should I hail this as an achievement? If he was actually able to prove his existence, that would be a start, but no...
It's a good thing he doesn't exist.


Yes it did. Who am I to judge God's motives? Who is God to judge us? He seems pretty retarded to me.

uuummm he let his son die 4 u. 4 me 4 everyone.
because it was neccessary so that we could join him when we died.
it is the beautiful thing of grace. all u have to do is accept it, and ask for forgiveness.
yeah we all make mistakes. i make huge ones. i mess up every day at least 20 times. i cuss, i lust, i treat others badly, i do it all. im human... so u can not believe in him, thats your choice...

personally though... i dont believe that there is necessarily a lake o' fire.... i think it is just symbolism of pain. my new thought courtesy of chase. revelations is all about symbolism, so that is my interpretation for it...

if anyone is familiar with animistic belief systems there exists a sort of hell and heaven...upperworld and lowerworld...upperworld is where a person's 'essence' goes to the canopy of the tree of life to await rebirth, the lowerworld is where malevolance and "evil" exists...this is the popular destination for spirit healers as it is believed that when a person is sick part of their "soul" is stuck in the lower world and the shaman must journey there to find it in order to heal the person...I entertain these ideas though from a strictly metaphoric view point

satan/lucifer/devil/"evil" needs to exist to legitamize god/"good"

Satanism is a poke at christianity..there is no diety other than oneself in this belief system.

I said it's debatable, and things like Pam Reynolds story should not be left ignored. The whole aware project is being done for a reason, to find out once and for all if this is trick of the mind, or some type of outside perception like Pam Reynolds story suggests.