Thread: Why Do People Think Satan/Lucifer/The Devil Reigns In Hell?

When he does NOT. Firstly, I don't believe in the bible, but it kind of irks me when people think Satan has a throne in hell and laughs at everyone burning. Hell was originally created FOR Satan and the fallen ones as a prison. God did NOT give Satan the keys to his own palace ._. I watched Constantine last night (again) and it's even clear that Hollywood perpetuates this image of this bad ass Satan running hell when the intellectual theologians will tell you that he's down there burning with the rest of 'em. Now granted he may have power slip in and out, Hell is NOT a place he likes being in.

(Eh, I know it sounds like I believe in the bible by this post but I don't...just wanted to correct that perception of Satan)

/end_rant.

hell isn't burning until it gets cast into the lake of fire from my understanding.

He doesn't have horns either, that just came from demonising Pagans...

There's a lot of stuff the Bible never says but religious branches or word of mouth created. No surprise really, what more is the Bible in the first place than a bunch of embellished events?

Personally, I don't believe in Satan or Hell. I believe those ideas were corruptions by the early Roman Catholic Church of earlier Pagan beliefs about the Goddess's cauldron of regeneration, by someone who thought reincarnation wasn't scary enough to keep the masses under control, so they upped the ante to make up a fiery place of eternal torment. It says something about those people, at that time, but is not really anything to do with God, only with humans who need power and control over others. Jesus himself predicted these things; he knew human nature.

One of the names for the Goddess at the time was Helle. They simply used her name. Much of what comes down in relgion really needs a critical eye and a knowledge of the history surrounding it, and most don't spend much time developing that, especially if they think the Bible is the only book God inspired in this whole world. God inspires my writing all the time, and that of others I'm sure as well. In any case, even the Bible doesn't do a whole lot to define either Satan or Hell.

It's kind of like what does Jesus have to do with the Easter bunny, or Christmas trees? Those are from Paganism, not Christianity, but people who wanted to convert pagans to Christianity used those things, incorporated them, in order to make Christianity more user friendly to the pagans. They even took Pagan gods and goddesses, and turned them into saints. When that didn't work, they just started burning the dissenters at the stake and such, though many burned weren't even Pagan, simply healers or people who didn't buy into the teaching without question.

Church history is very messy nasty stuff, really. Most people ignore it in preference of quoting the Bible nonstop, but that is really wearing blinders, you know? If you haven't seen "The Name of the Rose" starring Sean Connery, it's an excellent depiction of some of that history, based on the well-researched novel by the same title by Umberto Eco. Or for a much shorter read, equally well researched historically, try _Incantation_ by Alice Hoffman.

Originally Posted by Xei

really, what more is the Bible in the first place than a bunch of embellished events stories written to teach and give an example of how to live as a good, kind, loving person; the aesop's fables of life, not at all intended to be taken literally as it is?

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

When he does NOT. Firstly, I don't believe in the bible, but it kind of irks me when people think Satan has a throne in hell and laughs at everyone burning. Hell was originally created FOR Satan and the fallen ones as a prison. God did NOT give Satan the keys to his own palace ._. I watched Constantine last night (again) and it's even clear that Hollywood perpetuates this image of this bad ass Satan running hell when the intellectual theologians will tell you that he's down there burning with the rest of 'em. Now granted he may have power slip in and out, Hell is NOT a place he likes being in.

(Eh, I know it sounds like I believe in the bible by this post but I don't...just wanted to correct that perception of Satan)

/end_rant.

This also means that evil spirits can't come and torment people, because they are stuck in hell with Satan burning to never ending non death. So those people who say "i have an evil spirit in my house" are looking for attention, or completly looking at things all backwards. So if something falls off a shelf and smacks you in the face, it's not an evil spirit like they wanna think.


There also is no good vs evil fighting happening as they are trapped in non ending burning.


Satan is also not powerfull at all, he was just a normal human being who i think was the first? one down there.

Hey Jeff, thanks for this! My sister suggested that I point this out, and you beat me to it. God didn't even make Hell for humans. It was intended for Satan, and his followers (who were fallen Angels) humans followed Satan, thus are bound by the rule.

As C.S Lewis pointed out in The Screwtape letters, Satan is not equal in power to God. He is not just as bad as God is good. This is just some stuff that has been accumulated through the Church, and common stereotype.

Satan is equally as powerless as any humans/angels will be down there. It is not his dominion, it's his prison.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Hey Jeff, thanks for this! My sister suggested that I point this out, and you beat me to it. God didn't even make Hell for humans. It was intended for Satan, and his followers (who were fallen Angels) humans followed Satan, thus are bound by the rule.

As C.S Lewis pointed out in The Screwtape letters, Satan is not equal in power to God. He is not just as bad as God is good. This is just some stuff that has been accumulated through the Church, and common stereotype.

Satan is equally as powerless as any humans/angels will be down there. It is not his dominion, it's his prison.

Yeah, as in sinners. Sinners are Satan followers, and their reward of a bad life, is an even worse non life burning forever. I'm a sinner, and i'll always be a sinner.

That, and a punishment for choosing Satan rather than Jesus. Not being clean, you can't enter Heaven. God let his ONE and only son die, and people ignore it, and follow Satan instead.

Christians will sin too, which is why nobody can get to Heaven by themselves. Jesus sacrifice is the one and ONLY way to Heaven.

Originally Posted by Noogah

That, and a punishment for choosing Satan rather than Jesus. Not being clean, you can't enter Heaven. God let his ONE and only son die, and people ignore it, and follow Satan instead.

Christians will sin too, which is why nobody can get to Heaven by themselves. Jesus sacrifice is the one and ONLY way to Heaven.

If god wanted all of us to be in heaven and he loved us, no way would he allow for evolution. He would make us humans, and never have bad thoughts or a bad life or free will. We can choose whatever we want, thanks to evolution in all the years we evolved. But i am thinking as a human, and to think as a non human is not possible.

Did evolution happen? Also, who are you to judge Gods motives?

Originally Posted by Noogah

That, and a punishment for choosing Satan rather than Jesus. Not being clean, you can't enter Heaven. God let his ONE and only son die, and people ignore it, and follow Satan instead.

Christians will sin too, which is why nobody can get to Heaven by themselves. Jesus sacrifice is the one and ONLY way to Heaven.

So what if he let his son die, that's his problem. If he's stupid enough to make and kill his son, then why should I hail this as an achievement? If he was actually able to prove his existence, that would be a start, but no...
It's a good thing he doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Did evolution did happen? Also, who are you to judge Gods motives?

Yes it did. Who am I to judge God's motives? Who is God to judge us? He seems pretty retarded to me.

Satan doesn't exist in any kind of hell and Revelations support it.

Revelations 12:12 Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for my adversary is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

So where is he? Right here on Earth.

Originally Posted by Noogah

That, and a punishment for choosing Satan rather than Jesus. Not being clean, you can't enter Heaven. God let his ONE and only son die, and people ignore it, and follow Satan instead.

Christians will sin too, which is why nobody can get to Heaven by themselves. Jesus sacrifice is the one and ONLY way to Heaven.

You sure? Because I found a back door