Thread: Why?

Why do non believers come in here... Do you get your jollies off trying to mess with Christians? Are you so insecure with whatever you believe that you have to mess with others? DO you not have confidence to say this is what i believe in, this is what i stand for to be able to keep your mouth shut about it. You may be saying the same thing about me but this is a religion and spirituality board, not bash the Christian bored ha ha... so anyhow, what is your reason. Personally I am thinking it is probably insecurity. I have a best friend who is atheist and he has never tried to down my beliefs or try to tell me my beliefs ar false. When we discuss things he is able to look from my prespective and see where I am comeing from. Now that is someone with security in what they believe.

I try to educate ignorant people on occasion, that is why. I also enjoy discussing the subject of religion with others.

When we discuss things he is able to look from my prespective and see where I am comeing from. Now that is someone with security in what they believe.

So if I disagree with you it's because I'm insecure? Not because you know ... I disagree with you and think you've got stuff fundamentally wrong?

Security in one's beliefs means being willing to accept them being challenged. Not avoiding discussing the matter and trying to project insecurity on to another group for disagreeing with you.

I try to educate ignorant people on occasion, that is why. I also enjoy discussing the subject of religion with others.

So those who don't believe what you believe are ignorant eh?

When did I say that?


But it is obvious that plenty of people on this board are highly ignorant of science. The lack of understanding is obvious when you have a basic knowledge of science, reason, logic, and so on.

If you are ignorant of facts though, yes you are ignorant. If you merely differ on personal beliefs, such as philosophy or ethics, then no, that does not make anyone ignorant. But it does indicate other things about them, such as intelligence, or morality.

Davej, the reasons are just like Photo said. However, the reason why your atheist friend never discussed religion with you is because we usually avoid this topic, since it tends to make both sides angry. But this is the religion forum, you only come here if you want to discuss religion and have your beliefs questioned. If you don't wanna be questioned, don't come.

As Photo said, there is a difference between ignorance and different opinions. If you say I can't prove that God doesn't exist, then it's only a difference of opinion: I'm sceptical and you aren't. But if you try to say, for example, that evolution is false, then you are just ignorant.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Davej, the reasons are just like Photo said. However, the reason why your atheist friend never discussed religion with you is because we usually avoid this topic, since it tends to make both sides angry. But this is the religion forum, you only come here if you want to discuss religion and have your beliefs questioned. If you don't wanna be questioned, don't come.

Well, if that was the intent of the people who set up this area, then it should be called "Religion and Spirituality Debate" or "Bash the Fundies" or something to make that clear from the start. I have been on many religion and spirituality forums and email lists, and believe me, they aren't all like this area. There is generally some intelligent actual discussion about a variety of religious beliefs, not just bashing of Fundamentalist Christianity, by people who seem to think anyone who is Christian and knows the Bible is a Fundamentalist, and ascribes to that kind of literalism. This area is very limited because of the way people behave here. And the same repetitious arguments are repeated over and over and over, ad nauseam. Don't you get tired of it? Wouldn't you like something more growth productive?

It boggles the mind.

Originally Posted by davej

So those who don't believe what you believe are ignorant eh?

Davej, I think you nailed it right on the head. These kids think they have have all the answers, yet they don't have the balls to be honest with themselves and man up when they know they're wrong about something. They flame Christians for being ignorant sheep, yet they'll believe just about any piece of biased anti-christian garbage they come across.

The key is to find what works for you, and let others do the same for themselves.

Originally Posted by Lucky27

Davej, I think you nailed it right on the head. These kids think they have have all the answers, yet they don't have the balls to be honest with themselves and man up when they know they're wrong about something. They flame Christians for being ignorant sheep, yet they'll believe just about any piece of biased anti-christian garbage they come across.

Yeah, keep saying that until you convince yourself. Worse than the blind is the one who doesn't wanna see. But, as you guys said it, I'm an arrogant bastard.

You think you're the only one who has true opinions and reasons for those opinions. That's your problem.

How unsurprising. There's nothing like using strawmen, stereotyping, insults, and false projections to make a good argument eh? Why deal with facts when you can make stuff up.

There's also nothing like using defence mechanisms to avoid dealing with reality. "You disagree with me, you're insecure" or "If you disagree you just believe any biased stuff you come across you sheep". Why even bother looking at whether something has merit, when you can take the dishonest route instead.

The supreme irony really is that we're not the ones claiming to have knowledge that would be impossible to obtain, yet you have the audacity to label us as thinking we have all the answers. Well you're wrong boy. Yes, boy. I can be condescending too. Run along and play now.

I love R/S.

Originally Posted by Lucky27

Davej, I think you nailed it right on the head. These kids think they have have all the answers, yet they don't have the balls to be honest with themselves and man up when they know they're wrong about something. They flame Christians for being ignorant sheep, yet they'll believe just about any piece of biased anti-christian garbage they come across.

The key is to find what works for you, and let others do the same for themselves.

I'd like you to point out instances when someone did not "have the balls to be honest with themselves and man up when they know they're wrong about something." I'd also like you to distinguish between what would be considered anti-christian garbage and good science that contradicts the faith.

Because people make it look like it's a terrible religion. I mean if I wasn't a Christian I would never convert over when people act like this. For example. A ton of Christians don't have any facts or proof to back up what they say. I read a website where they said pokemon is evil because..

1. They kill things
2. They use a power of cheat
3. some other crazy thing but I think the website was taken down so I can't find it.


Where have they gotten their facts? Those are all false.


Those idiot spammers who stop by saying lucid dreaming is evil and I'm going to hell.

That guy who said he wanted to prove that God was real by having him kill my dog. I mean seriously, these people preach hate and stupidity, why would anyone want to become a Christian with these conditions.


and then there is the Westboro Church, they are great to make fun of. The founders of Godhates___.com's. Seriously people are stupid. There was even one website that said Retards go to hell and babies go to hell. They actually said Retard.

Originally Posted by hellohihello

Oh and those idiot spammers saying Lucid Dreaming is the devil. They give us a bad rap... a very bad rap.

I was not aware that that even happened :O

Originally Posted by davej

DO you not have confidence to say this is what i believe in, this is what i stand for to be able to keep your mouth shut about it.

Hehe I chuckled... "Speak your mind about what you believe! Also, shut up about what you believe!"

Now you just sound stupid.

Seeing as what you wrote was stupid, you're not really in the best position to judge really.

You wrote exactly what I was implying using different words to make it sound original, and then turned it around on me.

Uh ... yes? I'm glad that you are perceptive enough to realise I was using your own foolish statements against you.

If you want to understand something you have to go one step further than everyone else. Your rationalism is rational until it is rational beyond rational.

Atheism is just one step above exclusivist religion.

But one step above exclusivist religion is not very far.

If you move one step further then religion becomes real again, except with a new perspective. You see across the lines of divided religions, into the fundamental meaning. The real purpose is all the same.

And if you move one step further than that you may give up religion again, and live only by faith in God or the Guru (Christ for Christians).

Just my current thoughts.

Originally Posted by sephiroth clock

If you want to understand something you have to go one step further than everyone else. Your rationalism is rational until it is rational beyond rational.

Atheism is just one step above exclusivist religion.

But one step above exclusivist religion is not very far.

If you move one step further then religion becomes real again, except with a new perspective. You see across the lines of divided religions, into the fundamental meaning. The real purpose is all the same.

And if you move one step further than that you may give up religion again, and live only by faith in God or the Guru (Christ for Christians).

Just my current thoughts.

More like you keep going back and forth, never leaving your original place...

Originally Posted by Kromoh

More like you keep going back and forth, never leaving your original place...

In a way yes! Except perspective is everything in this case. You arent quite going back and forth, you are doing this!

Originally Posted by sephiroth clock

If you want to understand something you have to go one step further than everyone else. Your rationalism is rational until it is rational beyond rational.

Atheism is just one step above exclusivist religion.

But one step above exclusivist religion is not very far.

If you move one step further then religion becomes real again, except with a new perspective. You see across the lines of divided religions, into the fundamental meaning. The real purpose is all the same.

And if you move one step further than that you may give up religion again, and live only by faith in God or the Guru (Christ for Christians).

Just my current thoughts.

I agree a lot with what's stated above. And shit, maybe next week... I won't. But it's the ability to see things from other points of view and occasionally change your position (hmm, maybe I'm not always right?) that sets one apart from closed minds.

Originally Posted by Lucky27

I agree a lot with what's stated above. And shit, maybe next week... I won't. But it's the ability to see things from other points of view and occasionally change your position (hmm, maybe I'm not always right?) that sets one aside from closed minds.

Kinda off-topic, but some would call it sitting on the fence xD

Originally Posted by davej

Why do non believers come in here... Do you get your jollies off trying to mess with Christians? Are you so insecure with whatever you believe that you have to mess with others? DO you not have confidence to say this is what i believe in, this is what i stand for to be able to keep your mouth shut about it. You may be saying the same thing about me but this is a religion and spirituality board, not bash the Christian bored ha ha... so anyhow, what is your reason. Personally I am thinking it is probably insecurity. I have a best friend who is atheist and he has never tried to down my beliefs or try to tell me my beliefs ar false. When we discuss things he is able to look from my prespective and see where I am comeing from. Now that is someone with security in what they believe.

To be quite honest, I've never seen a 'non-believer' messing with a 'believer', only 'believers' complaining about being messed with. Feel free to post some links and prove me wrong, though.

Non believers come because R\S is a place for such a clash. Maybe it's not officially spelled out, but when a religous forum is made that isn't sealed off from non-believers, it's clear what kind of fate it's going to have.

Originally Posted by davej

Why do non believers come in here... Do you get your jollies off trying to mess with Christians? Are you so insecure with whatever you believe that you have to mess with others? DO you not have confidence to say this is what i believe in, this is what i stand for to be able to keep your mouth shut about it. You may be saying the same thing about me but this is a religion and spirituality board, not bash the Christian bored ha ha... so anyhow, what is your reason. Personally I am thinking it is probably insecurity. I have a best friend who is atheist and he has never tried to down my beliefs or try to tell me my beliefs ar false. When we discuss things he is able to look from my prespective and see where I am comeing from. Now that is someone with security in what they believe.

Since when does Religion/Spiritualty = Christianity?

Hah! darth vader looks as crushed as he could through that mask.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

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