Thread: The morality of atheism

...And because Humanism so obviously equates to atheism, theists are all ill-willed bigots who disregard everything Humanists stand for as sinful, irrational, blasphemous and ignorant, right? Those who have faith in some sort of higher being have no faith in the great potential of human beings, right?

Bullfuck. That shit is entirely untrue in every aspect.

If not for religion, thousands and thousands of people would be hurling themselves off of bridges by now. Faith gives some people the will to keep on living, even when some of them know in their hearts that they don't have an awful lot to live for.

And yet because some dicks who claim themselves to be messengers of God/Allah/Zeus/whatever intentionally misinterpret the words of holy texts to fit them to their own warped desires - so that they can gain complete dominion over everyone else who shares the same faith by means of coercion - everyone who believes in something spiritual is somehow inherently counterproductive in the never-ending human quest for finding utopia?

I'm not sure if you knew this, but in even in a utopia, not everyone is in total agreeance about everything. The thing that separates the utopia from the dystopia is that in the dystopia, people harm or kill each other for having conflicting beliefs, and that in the utopia, people peacefully agree to disagree and leave it at that. You're acting as though all atheists take the "agree to disagree" route while all theists take the "believe what I say or I'll hurt you" route. Not only is the latter totally untrue, but there are many atheists out there who have indeed committed acts of violence against theists for their "irrational beliefs in a silly all-powerful wizard".

So you're an idealist. Good for you. However, I, like Needcatscan, am a realist. The "Humanist" part of atheists like you fails to realize that all the good little things like love, tolerance, forgiveness, and believing in yourself - and all that crap - is not the only thing that makes us human; it is what you call "human ugliness" - things like hatred, intolerance, the notion of revenge and feelings of Schadenfreude that also make us human. A good side cannot exist without a bad side.

That said, utopia cannot exist until all sides agree to disagree - this includes both theists and atheists.

Can we not say FUCK Jesus? Yes, if we want; I just choose not to.

Can we not say FUCK Rakjavik? Yes, I suppose we could do that too, if we want; I just choose not to.