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      Humanism is morality that transcends religion and spirituality, not the opposite of it. Atheism is merely a religious paradigm that matches quite well with humanism, because atheism asserts that nothing divine has dominion over the way we should act as sentient, free-willed beings. However, I still agree with the intentions of the OP, which are to tell us to awaken as a collective species and realize that we are all the same, despite our differences. Let's stop trying to create a utopia by killing people that disagree with our perspectives on what a utopia is, but rather working together for the ultimate and unachievable goal of a perfect world. We don't need 100% perfection to be happy, because most people in the world today will be content with many of the menial things most of us in developed countries take for granted. Just give it a shot.

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      After millions of years of evolution, the human body can still develop defects and cancer. Society is always changing, always developing. New trends constantly come around that change the way we behave and they can disrupt or aid the status quo. It often depends on a sense of fairness.

      We share this need for fairness with chimpanzees. When caged chimps were freely being offered grains they'd delightfully accept them. However, when some chimps started receiving grapes, all the ones still receiving grains got pissed off and threw them back and stuff.

      In Argentina, the Juntas behind the mass disappearances of up to 20,000 boys were put on Trial after the government became a democracy again. They were imprisoned for a while, but then this other guy let them all out in the next term. I remember the stories from history class but no names or dates. Anyway, if you look at the culture of Argentina now, it's filled to the brink with impunity. Nobody respects any laws, and they haven't for the last 25 years or however long it's been since the Juntas were let out of jail. If people behind tortures and executions on a massive, nation wide scale could just be let out free of charge, then what point was there for anybody to respect the structure in place?

      The point is for every action, there is a reaction. The human body gets cancer from habitual intake of carcenogens without a healthy immune system. There are always people considered worthless to society: murderers, pedophiles and rapists but besides that there are always ideological trends fighting against each other and competing, and we do this because we're all inherently seeking unity, we just have to organize ourselves first.

      So is utopia possible? Well that would imply a society could finish developing, and then we'd all commit mass suicide. Could it be a society where we live with mutual care for each other? Sure, but right now the ideologies are still fighting, and fighting one ideology even harder isn't going to make them go away, we have to reconcile.
      Last edited by Omnis Dei; 11-08-2008 at 03:28 PM.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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