Thread: Vote yes on Prop 8

Originally Posted by Merlock

"He"? That was me.

And secondly..."couldn't possibly be that insane"?
Do you not see how ignorant that phrase is?
It basically says, "I'm right, everyone is wrong and insane". *shrug*

I explained everything in that post. Unlimited tolerance is ridiculous. People must fight for what they stand for, for their ideals and principles, otherwise the world grows stale, full of apathy and immorality. There is no "right" or "wrong". There's only power, and whoever wields it is right.

When people get to a point where they are so incorrect it is crazy, they are insane.

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

You think that just because blacks are a minority means that all the white people treating them like crap is okay, just because they're the majority?

No, I don't think you grasped my point...

I am not arguing using any sort of...arguments and not trying to say I'm "correct".

I, myself, see homosexuality as an insult to true love (not for religious reasons or any such), so I hate it to the core and see it as a threat to my morals and ideals. More so, you don't have sex with those you don't love, and marriage is about love, not sex. So the whole "homosexuality is physically natural" idea isn't relevant.

I have absolutely no views such as this about blacks or other races.

So, aye, like I said...I'm not using any sort of reasoning to argue some objectively correct point. I don't like something...hence, I'm going to gather power/allies/influence and make sure it's prohibited. Simple enough. Doesn't require reasoning (I have my own reasoning, which I spoke of above, but I don't have to explain it to others if they can't see it), just the power to impose my will on others, even if it's social influence thanks to majority vote.

Originally Posted by Merlock

...Doesn't require reasoning (I have my own reasoning, which I spoke of above, but I don't have to explain it to others if they can't see it), just the power to impose my will on others, even if it's social influence thanks to majority vote.

The list of reasons for me not to kill you grows shorter with your every post.

Originally Posted by Merlock

I, myself, see homosexuality as an insult to true love (not for religious reasons or any such), so I hate it to the core and see it as a threat to my morals and ideals. More so, you don't have sex with those you don't love, and marriage is about love, not sex. So the whole "homosexuality is physically natural" idea isn't relevant.

I have absolutely no views such as this about blacks or other races.

So, aye, like I said...I'm not using any sort of reasoning to argue some objectively correct point. I don't like something...hence, I'm going to gather power/allies/influence and make sure it's prohibited. Simple enough. Doesn't require reasoning (I have my own reasoning, which I spoke of above, but I don't have to explain it to others if they can't see it), just the power to impose my will on others, even if it's social influence thanks to majority vote.

Ok fair enough. But just so you know, if you oppose genocide or the holocaust for example, then you're a hypocrite. I guess your morals and ideals have been so threatened, that you lost them completely. Or maybe what you lacked in morals you added to you ideals.

Originally Posted by Merlock

More so, you don't have sex with those you don't love, and marriage is about love, not sex.

This doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by bcomp

Just want to throw this out there: any homosexual couple in the state of California can enter into a domestic partnership, which is exactly the same as marriage in a legal sense, except for the title of course.

I feel the title "marriage" should be reserved for - as it has been throughout history - couples that are biologically capable of reproduction, which is the basis of society.

Now please don't misunderstand me, I firmly believe that no law should prevent homosexuality from existing, nor do I believe that it should be prejudiced against, only that legislation should not be based on undefinable concepts like "love" or "happiness." Hell, even heterosexual marriage (in a legal sense, mind you) isn't based on love and never has been, only on the undeniable, physical reality that a man and a woman can produce citizens to populate and benefit countries.

I'm voting yes on Prop 8 because I feel that heterosexual marriages provide the framework of society and should be clearly defined to ensure societal stability.

Don't call me a bigot, a hater, a gay-basher, or biased, intolerant, or naive because I'm not.

Though please, do respond. I'm interested to hear any counter-arguments to the reasoning I've given. Just be sure to maintain logical consistency, yeah?

Ban sex before marriage, unwed parents, childless marriages, and barren/sterile people from becoming married; otherwise you're just a hypocritical bigot.