Thread: Vote yes on Prop 8

So gays are socially unstable? I don't follow that. I understand the man and woman being required for reproduction; but I don't see how gays getting married will change that. There are so many more heterosexual couples I'm sure that letting gays get married won't make our society's population plummet.

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

So gays are socially unstable? I don't follow that. I understand the man and woman being required for reproduction; but I don't see how gays getting married will change that. There are so many more heterosexual couples I'm sure that letting gays get married won't make our society's population plummet.

If the title of marriage is bestowed on couples that cannot bear child, it detracts from the significance of marriages between those who can. If anyone could marry anyone, it would lessen the focus on heterosexual reproduction.

In the Netherlands, the first nation to legalize same-sex marriage in 2001, the birth rate has fallen almost every year after. Spain also saw declines in birth rates after legalizing same-sex marriage in 2005, even though it had been booming before the 2004-2005 time period when the issue was brought to the political scene.

Granted, it is not guaranteed that heterosexual couples will definitely react the same way in America, but it is a dangerous choice to lessen the meaning of marriage... one that may have long-term consequences.

Originally Posted by ClassyElf

That's irrelevant. The fact that you say infertility is slightly less common than homosexuality doesn't change the fact that both conditions stop reproduction. You said marriage should only be between "couples that are biologically capable of reproduction." Infertile men are incapable of reproduction thus they should not be allowed to marry.

If you're not going to include the infertile men into the group of people that cannot marry, then you are discriminating.

Edit: To give you the facts from the NYtimes, "An estimated one of every five American couples are infertile and 40 percent of them are unable to have a baby because of a problem with the man's sperm."

1 in every 5? The couple has an even higher chance of being infertile than being gay.

See I'm not comparing the probability of being homosexual and being infertile against each other, I'm comparing the probability of bearing children in hetero and homosexual relationships.

In a heterosexual couple, the probability of producing a child is four out of five, according to your data.

In a homosexual couple, the probability of producing a child is zero out of five.

Also, infertility is a malfunction in heterosexual relationships, while homosexuality is obviously intended in homosexual realtionships. :3 So the infertility is "unintentional" it het-couples and "intentional" in hom-couples.

Originally Posted by bcomp

In the Netherlands, the first nation to legalize same-sex marriage in 2001, the birth rate has fallen almost every year after. Spain also saw declines in birth rates after legalizing same-sex marriage in 2005, even though it had been booming before the 2004-2005 time period when the issue was brought to the political scene.

Awesome. So by allowing gay marriage, we can support personal freedom, as well as reducing our (exploding) population at the same time. Fucking win for sustainability and the environment.

Originally Posted by bcomp

See I'm not comparing the probability of being homosexual and being infertile against each other, I'm comparing the probability of bearing children in hetero and homosexual relationships.

In a heterosexual couple, the probability of producing a child is four out of five, according to your data.

In a homosexual couple, the probability of producing a child is zero out of five.

Also, infertility is a malfunction in heterosexual relationships, while homosexuality is obviously intended in homosexual realtionships. :3 So the infertility is "unintentional" it het-couples and "intentional" in hom-couples.

Being gay is mostly geneticly related. If a man is gay enough to not be able to get an erection around a woman, then he is unable to reproduce even if he tried, thus the medical definition of infertile "the inability to conceive and have offspring" fits the gay man.

So it looks like you agree that gay people should be able to get married because they are infertile.