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How is that relevant?

The correct question would be "explain how quantum mechanics prevents a computer from modelling the brain?"

(Those of us that are knowledgeable enough are well aware that you threw the term "quantum" in there without having an understanding of it)

Originally Posted by really

The very measuring also would influence what is being measured.

I got the idea here that you were implying quantum mechanics affected the brain.

Regardless, Photolysis' question is adequate.


"Quantum mechanics, it can do miracles."

I don't think so. For one thing, at the quantum level, no such computer would be possible; it would have to be more complex than its own circuits - the linear cannot mirror the non-linear domain.

Quantum effects don't affect the workings of the brain.

How is that relevant?

Do you not understand this conversation..?

I said the brain can be modelled by a computer.
You said what about quantum effects.
Scatterbrain asked how quantum effects affect the brain.

How is that not relevant?? :\

I think you should be more specific in what you're implying. There may be rules, but why is that important to mention?

Beeeeeecause if they always follow the same rules then there was only ever going to be one future and there is no free will. Hence determinism.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

The correct question would be "explain how quantum mechanics prevents a computer from modelling the brain?"

Well I've already done that. Quantum mechanics is non-linear, you cannot reproduce or simulate it exactly with a computer, whether it relates to the brain or not.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

I got the idea here that you were implying quantum mechanics affected the brain.

I mentioned quantum mechanics because I thought it would be relevant to determinism.

Originally Posted by Xei

Quantum effects don't affect the workings of the brain.

That wasn't my point. By why wouldn't it? Quantum "effects" arise from quantum particles.

Originally Posted by Xei

Do you not understand this conversation..?

I said the brain can be modelled by a computer.
You said what about quantum effects.
Scatterbrain asked how quantum effects affect the brain.

How is that not relevant?? :\

So determinism has nothing to do with quantum physics?

Originally Posted by Xei

Beeeeeecause if they always follow the same rules then there was only ever going to be one future and there is no free will. Hence determinism.

I understand that. So what do you think of my response? We can have free will; we can have rules. Why is there no free will - do I suddenly lose all control?

That wasn't my point. By why wouldn't it? Quantum "effects" arise from quantum particles.

Because it's too big. Quantum mechanics doesn't apply to objects on the scale of the cell.

So determinism has nothing to do with quantum physics?

Quantum physics shows that the very small is not deterministic.

I understand that. So what do you think of my response? We can have free will; we can have rules. Why is there no free will - do I suddenly lose all control?

Because there was only ever going to be one response you were going to make to any situation. The future is set in stone. Most would say this is incompatible with the basic ideas of free will.

Originally Posted by Xei

Because it's too big. Quantum mechanics doesn't apply to objects on the scale of the cell.

Quantum physics shows that the very small is not deterministic.

There you go, determinism is limited to certain things (perhaps like causality of classical physics is limited). Although it could be simply because we can't measure this domain accurately.

Originally Posted by Xei

Because there was only ever going to be one response you were going to make to any situation. The future is set in stone. Most would say this is incompatible with the basic ideas of free will.

The future is not set, it is theoretically forever changing, however it is non-existent. The future is hypothetical. We also can't be anything apart from what we're being right Now. So it seems determinism accepts this; that we human beings can only be what we are, and our behavior is according to what we have become. But that does not mean we don't have control, it means our control is in harmony with the universe. The only factor which limits our freewill is our level of consciousness, freedom gradually increases with more awareness.

What determinism seems to address is only the external world of effects, without looking within to the observer, who subjectively has an intention (cannot be measured anyway).

This thread is frickin epic

Please keep it going