Thread: A Question.

I fail to see how that is relevant to the topic.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

I fail to see how that is relevant to the topic.

it's relevant because that's a reason an atheist would believe in a higher being, because of the complexity of the DNA there must be a super intelligence behind it, that would be a reason to believe in a higher being, that would be a reason for an atheist to believe in god.

Humans have designed things more complex than DNA. Does that mean we're hyper-super-intelligent?

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Humans have designed things more complex than DNA. Does that mean we're hyper-super-intelligent?

name something

The laptop I'm using right now.

Don't forget Terry Pratchett - although he hasn't exactly conformed to christianity. He just thinks there is a God.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

Don't forget Terry Pratchett - although he hasn't exactly conformed to christianity. He just thinks there is a God.

nice, did he give any reasoning to it?

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

The laptop I'm using right now.

uhm no

Too fast bluefinger, I was going to post Dr. Cox' clip first.

Here it is anyway:

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

uhm no

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

The laptop I'm using right now.

Out of all the things you could have named, you picked molded plastic, copper wiring and binary code?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Out of all the things you could have named, you picked molded plastic, copper wiring and binary code?

Considering the level of complexity within the central processing unit, in which millions of transistors are etched onto a doped silicon wafer in the size-range of nanometers, and manage to process electrical pulses organised in the form of binary signals at the range of 1-3Ghz, I'd say that is a very good example. The laptop itself could handle a wide variety of code within an OS environment acting as an interface between the hardware and software, to the point it can do calculations faster than all the calculus power of mankind put together in order to handle things such as games or word processing, along with the handling and transmission of data over a network.

A Computer is a marvellous example in my eyes.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

name something

The whole Human genome would fit onto a DVD (normal sized would constitute 4GB, the human genome would not fill a DVD), and that is all the junk DNA and DNA that is not exclusive to humans. For DNA unique to yourself, a file the size of a normal mp3 would do.

Age of Conan however is 32GB big. A piece of software already has more data for it than the human genome, and hardly any of the data for the game is 'junk', so people have designed more complex things than DNA.

Processors, Hard-drives, Particle Accelerators, etc.

Your point is?

it's getting off topic, back to the question, why would an atheist start to believe in a god?

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

it's getting off topic, back to the question, why would an atheist start to believe in a god?

You started claiming DNA was somehow so complex that only through an intelligent force could it arise. We showed you that was not the case simply by comparing it to things we have designed that were far more complex.

As for the question, I'd expect no less than for not only God to appear to me, but also appear during a moment when in the presence of sceptics like myself so that I can confirm the phenomena with like-minded individuals, just to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. Then he would to show if he was omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient as the Bible claims, or if he even is the Christian God. Either way, he'd have to make himself pretty damn clear, and not through some 2000 year old book written by sheep-herders.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

The whole Human genome would fit onto a DVD (normal sized would constitute 4GB, the human genome would not fill a DVD), and that is all the junk DNA and DNA that is not exclusive to humans. For DNA unique to yourself, a file the size of a normal mp3 would do.

Age of Conan however is 32GB big. A piece of software already has more data for it than the human genome, and hardly any of the data for the game is 'junk', so people have designed more complex things than DNA.

Processors, Hard-drives, Particle Accelerators, etc.

Your point is?

complex: so complicated or intricate as to be hard to understand or deal with



if your statement is true, and video games, processors, hard-drives, particle acclerators, etc. etc. are more complex than DNA then scientists would be making artificial life forms that aren't robots, they'd be able to create lifeforms, and don't say "cloning is creating new lifeforms" that's replicating a lifeform

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

complex: so complicated or intricate as to be hard to understand or deal with

if your statement is true, and video games, processors, hard-drives, particle acclerators, etc. etc. are more complex than DNA then scientists would be making artificial life forms that aren't robots, they'd be able to create lifeforms, and don't say "cloning is creating new lifeforms" that's replicating a lifeform

We've done experiments such as probing into the very nature of matter by accelerating particles to huge energies and smashing them together, and then detecting the resulting radiation and particles emitted from such collisions with incredibly sensitive equipment.

As for life-forms, I think there are experiments going on to do just that, create a synthetic life-form. If anything, it is already a work-in-progress for Science, because the challenge was there.

In the end, Science wins.