Thread: My Insight On Christianity..

Jesus didn't exist and Ghandi is probably in hell because he was a extreme racist. The rest was pretty entertaining to read.

^ You can't say with certainty that Jesus as a man didn't exist. In fact I don't have much reason to believe that he didn't (me being an atheist and all).

Oh and I agree with the OP.

A lot of really religious people, those belonging to an organized religion that is, are just plain MEAN. Question their faith for one moment and they start bitching at you and calling you names and telling you you will go to hell.. If you ask me, that's a sign that they are insecure in their own faith. And, you do NOT want to be a part of a religious group that produces a bunch of angry and insecure members.

I think it's way better to just be independent. You'll be a wiser and cleaner spirit for it, and I think you'll make your saints all the happier.

Originally Posted by Teeliumtrozzle

I have noticed that people often don't respect each others faiths, and just like to argue.A lot of them are spiteful and prejudiced. And Christianity upsets me, because Christians believe they get to Heaven by Jesus being crucified.This is just soo unfair..He never did anything to deserve this, and they just take advantage of his bloodshed..And they don't really believe it has anything to do with being a good person, and a lot of them blaspheme. I can't believe their attitude..They wouldn't like to be crucified, but they can actually insult someone who was, while at the same time taking advantage of his bloodshed..It's horrible. Now I love Jesus; I really think he was amazing, and I love the Virgin Mary and the saints too..In fact, I really want to be friends with them! But now that I've seen what Christians are like, I am not a Christian, I just try to serve them by myself. I'm still struggling to get over how horrible those Christians are.Also, many of them believe that other faiths can't go to Heaven, even if they were very good people. This is absolutely ridiculous-Look at Ghandi, for example...I won't even say any more. A lot of them are just mean old muggles, and they don't understand me at all.Theres a lot more insight I could share,but this is enough for this topic, and any more would be a digression.What does everyone think?

John the Baptist was a good man and Job was definately a righteous man but according to the scriptures neither will enter the heavens. I'm a Christian and Im certain I'm not going to heaven when I die as a matter of fact you, I, Atheist and other faiths will utimately have the same outcome at the time of death.

Originally Posted by Serkat

Jesus didn't exist and Ghandi is probably in hell because he was a extreme racist. The rest was pretty entertaining to read.

Why would you think Ghandi would go to Hell?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

John the Baptist was a good man and Job was definately a righteous man but according to the scriptures neither will enter the heavens. I'm a Christian and Im certain I'm not going to heaven when I die as a matter of fact you, I, Atheist and other faiths will utimately have the same outcome at the time of death.

lulz

If "Jesus" existed, then he probably had about .1% of the properties ascribed to him in the bible. Probably just a carpenter that talked too much. I'd assume that there were plenty of guys named "Jesus" around that area in that time. Perhaps even multiple carpenters by that name. But if none of them were the son of god or really could do anything but talk, then what's the point?

That's like saying that unicorns exist if by unicorn you actually mean horse.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Why would you think Ghandi would go to Hell?

Dude, it says right there. Don't you read sentences before commenting on them? Ghandi thought blacks were sub-human with no rights and should be used as slaves for Indians which he considered to be the supreme race.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

lulz

Why laugh? What's funny about that?

Ghandi is probably in hell because he was a extreme racist.

Not really. He did say some racist remarks, however back then racism was the norm.

In fact, I really want to be friends with them!

Well, we all need imaginary friends. Sorry, but that was too easy to make a joke out off.

What does everyone think?

Atheism is the way forward i.e. having no belifes.

Christianity is a dangerous religion.

Im certain I'm not going to heaven when I die as a matter of fact you, I, Atheist and other faiths will utimately have the same outcome at the time of death.

Death. Nothingness

Alternatively, we could go to clouds and just live for ever, in eternal bliss. Which, is a nice fairy tale.

I think a carpenter named Jesus who preached peace and love and had a big following certainly existed.

No need to disregard legitimate history out of contempt for the religion, I say.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I think a carpenter named Jesus who preached peace and love and had a big following certainly existed.

No need to disregard legitimate history out of contempt for the religion, I say.

...the main source we have is the bible... how would that be a historically legitimate document? It's full of things that can't be true so why assume that anything that could be true is true? There were lots of magicians, frauds, tricksters and lunatics in that time that claimed they were divinely inspired or some nonsense like that. Even if one of them went by the name of Jesus, how is he the Christian Jesus if virtually nothing of what it says about him in the bible safe for some hippyesque remarks that probably got blown way out of proportion can be true.

Oi don't get your knickers in a knot, I'm completely in agreement with you but am simply saying that the man probably existed and had a following. Of course he's not the "Christian" Jesus. "Christian" + anything is fairy tales.

So Mes are you going to tackle my question? I'm curious to know what was funny.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

So Mes are you going to tackle my question? I'm curious to know what was funny.

I'd rather not..

I can respect that. No problem.

hmph it's the same with tons of things in life, religion is no different. People will say, oh i know like 5 languages, when really they know a few words in each, they want to feel special but their exaggerating really. Many Christians will call themselves Christian because their community is or because they want to feel special, however they wont go to Church at all, wont exactly sit and pray, wont really do anything them would define them as "Christian", in fact they would say " oh yeah i love Jesus, God is so amazing, etc", but they never think about it really, it's not important in their life at all. It's like how some kids i know who say they are Pagan, only do it because they want to be all different and feel mystical or some bull, with shiny little pentagram symbols and wicca stuff. They don't really worship any deity or seriously go to pagan rituals. One girl at my school worships some Epona god of horses or some shit, IT'S A GOD OF HORSES FFS! Even if it's true, be a horse or GTFO, stop stealing horse religion!

Anyway this way of life, especially in England, is getting stronger and stronger. Many Christians aren't really serious practicing ones and their so liberal and relaxed about it they don't really follow the instructions of the Bible, one girl at my school doesn't eat pig or shellfish, always goes to Church, thinks homosexuality is very wrong. I have more respect for her then others, i don't think she's right but at least she follows her belief with commitment and obeys laws that don't suit the half ass lazy majority. She also believes people saying they love Jesus, even if they sort of do, isn't enough, deeds are still important, an immoral violent Christian wont get into Heaven just because he says he loves Jesus, if you truly love Jesus you should behave as he did, try and be as truly sinless as possible. I think it's a much more noble attitude towards her faith, but there we go.

I just want to go 1000 years into the future, see what religion has taken the place of Christianity, it will fall like every other religion in the end, maybe some cults still worshiping as we get now, but something will replace it, even if it's some kind of extremist faith based on science. For example a belief that the ability to live eternally is just around the corner, as so cruel experiments on other humans are done to reach this fruitless( although i doubt eternal life is fruitless) aim. Hopefully no faith at all and just knowledge gained and scrutinized by the scientific method, but alas i doubt that will ever be.

Originally Posted by cuddleyperson

I just want to go 1000 years into the future, see what religion has taken the place of Christianity, it will fall like every other religion in the end, maybe some cults still worshiping as we get now, but something will replace it, even if it's some kind of extremist faith based on science. For example a belief that the ability to live eternally is just around the corner, as so cruel experiments on other humans are done to reach this fruitless( although i doubt eternal life is fruitless) aim. Hopefully no faith at all and just knowledge gained and scrutinized by the scientific method, but alas i doubt that will ever be.

You can a 1000 years into the future and chances are you're more than likely will still have Christianity (if this system still exist.) considering it's been around for well over a 1000 years.

Actually no.

New age stuff and Taoism will probably fill the gap once Xianity kicks the bucket. What with being around for 4000+ years each.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

You can a 1000 years into the future and chances are you're more than likely will still have Christianity (if this system still exist.) considering it's been around for well over a 1000 years.

Many other religions have went the way of the dinosaur that were around far longer than Christianity has been.

I'm guessing that Scientology is the next big comeuppance to replace Judeo-Christianity in the future.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Actually no.

New age stuff and Taoism will probably fill the gap once Xianity kicks the bucket. What with being around for 4000+ years each.

4000 + years of Taoism but Christianity is still kicking alive and well.

Originally Posted by MrDoom

Many other religions have went the way of the dinosaur that were around far longer than Christianity has been.

I'm guessing that Scientology is the next big comeuppance to replace Judeo-Christianity in the future.

I doubt it I wouldn't actually classify Scientology as Christianity considering it doesn't adhear to the scriptures.

Er, so?

Christian population is on the decline.

Muslim is on the rise.

Spiritualistic and or Atheist/Agnostic, however, will dominate in a thousand years because no one will know then what christianty is, and all the muslims would have killed each other off.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

I doubt it I wouldn't actually classify Scientology as Christianity considering it doesn't adhear to the scriptures.

No, what I mean is: when Christianity dies out as a major world religion, Scientology (and Islam, likely) will fill the gap left by Christianity.

I'm not equating Scientology with Christianity at all, I'm saying that Scientology is Christianity's future replacement as a dominant world religion.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Er, so?

Christian population is on the decline.

Muslim is on the rise.

Spiritualistic and or Atheist/Agnostic, however, will dominate in a thousand years because no one will know then what christianty is, and all the muslims would have killed each other off.

Come to think of it I can honestly say. I agree with you Seis. However I wouldn't go as far as saying "no one will know what Christianity is." The numbers will more than likely be very very small but there will be numbers always.

Originally Posted by MrDoom

No, what I mean is: when Christianity dies out as a major world religion, Scientology (and Islam, likely) will fill the gap left by Christianity.

I'm not equating Scientology with Christianity at all, I'm saying that Scientology is Christianity's future replacement as a dominant world religion.

Oh I get where you're coming from, my bad. You're probably right and I agree, I don't actually see Christianitys future as the world dominant religion. As I mentioned to Seis the numbers will be extremely small as Christianity continues to decline. It's sad but thats the way it is and thats the way it will be.

It is written.
So it shall be done.

Originally Posted by Teeliumtrozzle

I have noticed that people often don't respect each others faiths, and just like to argue.A lot of them are spiteful and prejudiced....

PLZ, note that I am not stereotyping-There are a lot of wonderful and very good Christians, and if you're out there, yiz deserve a gold medal. My negative insight applies strictly to the others (who are a majority), and I just needed to share this.

Well, where do I begin. Your complaint is about Christians who don't respect other people's faith, and yet your whole view revolves around disrespecting the faith of Christianity. A little hypocritical, don't you think? I mean I know your trying not to stereotype and the comment is only directed at the larger majority and not a small minority, but guess what, I'm willing to bet all Christians will find this to be a major dis.

Originally Posted by Teeliumtrozzle

And Christianity upsets me, because Christians believe they get to Heaven by Jesus being crucified.This is just soo unfair..He never did anything to deserve this, and they just take advantage of his bloodshed..And they don't really believe it has anything to do with being a good person, and a lot of them blaspheme. I can't believe their attitude..They wouldn't like to be crucified, but they can actually insult someone who was, while at the same time taking advantage of his bloodshed..It's horrible. Now I love Jesus; I really think he was amazing, and I love the Virgin Mary and the saints too..In fact, I really want to be friends with them! But now that I've seen what Christians are like, I am not a Christian, I just try to serve them by myself. I'm still struggling to get over how horrible those Christians are.Also, many of them have an extremely superficial faith-They consider themselves good Christians, but it's a rigid duty to them-They're really just interested in salvation or in appearing morally competant, but they don't have deep feelings about being a Christian, and it's not because they love him; Often they're more interested in earthly matters.And a lot of them believe that other faiths can't go to Heaven, even if they were very good people. This is absolutely ridiculous-Look at Ghandi, for example...I won't even say any more. A lot of them are just mean old muggles, and they don't understand me at all.Theres a lot more insight I could share,but this is enough for this topic, and any more would be a digression.What does everyone think?

Your kind of the poster-boy for the exact problem many people on the board have; you have no understanding of Christianity. First off, Christians don't take pleasure in Christs death. They didn't wish it upon Him and they certainly not responsible for it. We mourn His death every Good Friday and celebrate His resurrection on Easter Sunday.

We worship the Crucifixion because the devil was trying to destroy Jesus and His ministry by essentially framing Him as a common criminal and a hypocrite. He was tried, convicted, and executed; But despite the devils best efforts he failed because ultimately Jesus' ministry only became stronger. Instead of tarnishing His name people have sang His praises for centuries. Also, the Crucifixion is Jesus' ultimate triumph because on that day He proved He wasn't a hypocrite. He proved that he could turn the other cheek and love His enemies, even those who sought to crucify Him.

The crucifix embodies the power of Christ, the power to save. What is the crucifix, it is a tool of execution like an electric chair or hangman's rope. Where evil takes what is good and corrupts it making it evil; good takes what is evil and turns it good. The righteous take the poisoned apple and make it pure. Jesus' saving power is so powerful he was able to take a tool of execution and turned this symbol of death into a symbol of life. That's what the Crucifixion is all about. Taking tragedy and turning it into triumph. Saving.
We tackle Earthly matters because the fates of the heavens and the Earth are intertwined. By serving God here we help to stem the tide of immortality sweeping the earth.

Originally Posted by Serkat

...the main source we have is the bible... how would that be a historically legitimate document? It's full of things that can't be true so why assume that anything that could be true is true? There were lots of magicians, frauds, tricksters and lunatics in that time that claimed they were divinely inspired or some nonsense like that. Even if one of them went by the name of Jesus, how is he the Christian Jesus if virtually nothing of what it says about him in the bible safe for some hippyesque remarks that probably got blown way out of proportion can be true.

Historians have confirmed that Jesus was real; deal with it. It's interesting how atheists can conveniently use science and academics to prove an argument when it coincides with their own beliefs, but the minute something academia says supports a Christian idea, suddenly it's not credible. The Bible is a legit doc.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

You can a 1000 years into the future and chances are you're more than likely will still have Christianity (if this system still exist.) considering it's been around for well over a 1000 years.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Er, so?

Christian population is on the decline.

Muslim is on the rise.

Spiritualistic and or Atheist/Agnostic, however, will dominate in a thousand years because no one will know then what christianty is, and all the muslims would have killed each other off.

Christianity maybe on the decline, but it's still the biggest religion in the world. Even atheists are just a minority. You have a long way to go my friends, but keep dreaming.

Originally Posted by Dreamcaster

Historians have confirmed that Jesus was real; deal with it.

Have they confirmed that he turned water into wine? Nahh....

Historians haven't confirmed that jesus was real. There's no credible archaeological evidence to support his existance(not that you would expect any), and contemporary historical references to him are either later forgeries(as in Josephus' account), very vague and probably not referring to the same person, or refer to his followers or to 'Christ' which is a generic greek religious term not a name.

The gospels were written 40 years after Jesus' death at the earliest and most of them were written later. In the meantime Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans and Palestine was wracked by war. There was already a sizeable and diverse religious movement of Jews(judaism was a popular minority religion throughout the Eastern Mediterranean at the time) and pagans surrounding a 'Christ' figure when the gospels were written. The vast majority of the religious ideas and concepts behind were already developed within jewish messianic cults or pagan cults in the hellenistic world prior to the time Jesus was alleged to have lived including some very specific details about his life and preaching.

So did Jesus exist?

I must admit it is possible, and it would seem a bit unusual for a cult to invent a random guy named Jesus to center their religion around, but at same time it's very possible that they could have. In any case the modern religion of christianity and the accounts of Jesus in the bible have little or nothing to do with the real man Jesus if he did exist.