Is this really St.Mary

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

What I can't figure out is how people made the association between a light and St. Mary.

Why didn't they call it Jebus?

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that's just because of tradition. It's almost always been Mother Mary who makes an appearance. but when she does, she almost ALWAYS has some sort of accompanying message to deliver

since they continued to pray for appearance - and the apparition continued to appear - you can bet they felt the apparition was responding to their prayers. and they were praying to Mary.

however, so far as I know it, there has been no message over the events that happened in egypt. no one has 'heard' anything

i've read the church officials are skeptical that it is their Mary and I can see why. if it really is her, something would have been said, that or they would have to admit no one today can 'hear' her *meaning there is something wrong with the church or its followers*. Some church officials believe its the work of angels instead - whose appearance traditionally is encouraging but often silent

others are of course saying, aliens!!

its up in the air really. if it is a hoax, why?

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Originally Posted by juroara

some sort of orb was seen. this is fact.

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Didn't realize you were there. I apologize.

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Originally Posted by juroara

that's just because of tradition. It's almost always been Mother Mary who makes an appearance. but when she does, she almost ALWAYS has some sort of accompanying message to deliver

since they continued to pray for appearance - and the apparition continued to appear - you can bet they felt the apparition was responding to their prayers. and they were praying to Mary.

however, so far as I know it, there has been no message over the events that happened in egypt. no one has 'heard' anything

i've read the church officials are skeptical that it is their Mary and I can see why. if it really is her, something would have been said, that or they would have to admit no one today can 'hear' her *meaning there is something wrong with the church or its followers*. Some church officials believe its the work of angels instead - whose appearance traditionally is encouraging but often silent

others are of course saying, aliens!!

its up in the air really. if it is a hoax, why?

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It's obvious what happened. Jebus made an appearance and everyone started praying to Mary, so he got pissed and didn't deliver any message.


Seriously now, you talk as if there are "real" appearances of St. Mary to compare this one to. Care to give any examples?

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Originally Posted by skysaw

Didn't realize you were there. I apologize.

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I dont feel I have the right to tell the masses, what they did or did not see, unlike certain board members here who think that is their right

UFOs are real. this story has happened before, and will happen again.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

It's obvious what happened. Jebus made an appearance and everyone started praying to Mary, so he got pissed and didn't deliver any message.


Seriously now, you talk as if there are "real" appearances of St. Mary to compare this one to. Care to give any examples?

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I am comparing this supposed vision of the Lady, to other visions of the Lady held by the Catholic church. There are many, and they are called, Lady of - where ever she was seen. Like Lady of the Lake, or Lady of the Guadalupe.

Fatima is the most famous of Mary appearances and set the standard for what the church views as an authentic appearance. There. Is. Always. A. Message.

thats all I am saying. thats why church officials as far as I know it, don't agree with the followers that this is Mary - not until someone starts claiming they have a divine message that is. the general belief is, she comes when she has something to say. And she will say it clearly in spoken language as well.

the visions of the Lady are known for their clarity actually, not obscurity.

There is a figure sitting at the right tower wearing white, the flashes came from above, below and the sides. If they where camera flashes you would need a pretty big camera to lit up a whole church. I am not saying its real or fake because it remains unexplained, but dis believers don't frown upon the believers and vice versa.

i wish there was some picture of this giant orb above the building. Curious, i would have thought whoever filmed that would want to also film the source of the "miracle", if that orb is something incredibly holy i would have thought they'd want to capture it on film for themselves if anything, ah well.

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Originally Posted by juroara

hey man, the believers are too busy praying and being happy. they don't really care about non-believers and making an argument or supplying the burden of proof. just listen to the videos - they are merily chanting and they do so for hours. some one chanting isn't really gonna be like "DUH-HUR, LET ME GET MY CAMERA SO COOL!"

as many believers would take this as a blessing, not 'pearls' to be tossed before 'swine'. even when events like this happen, most pictures and videos are placed on religious websites or into religious books. and unless you know where to look, you're not going to find it.

but really, it really annoys me that someone sitting behind a desk thinks they have the right to completely disrespect the testimony of thousands of eye witnesses over a single event. virgin or not. who are you to tell thousands of eye witnesses that they did not see an orb? are you saying that thousands are simultaneously hallucinating or lying? you have the right to judge these people because?

some sort of orb was seen. this is fact. whether or not we know what the orb is.

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You're just being fucking dumb now.

Give me one good reason for why that event wasn't recorded in super quality. Just one.
And no, "People were too busy being religious" doesn't work. Surely they'd record it in good quality, so that other religious people could see it aswell.

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Originally Posted by Marvo

And no, "People were too busy being religious" doesn't work. Surely they'd record it in good quality, so that other religious people could see it aswell.

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Yeah, no kidding. Being too busy for the months it was supposed to be visible is just insane. If it were anything more than Criss Angel could whip up in a few hours, all the major networks would have pristine footage by now, and it would be all over the news.

I love how people get all riled up saying something is definite proof of something, then later say how unimportant it is that others believe... all that's important is that THEY know it's true.

Personally, I don't KNOW that it's not real, but I do know that no one has tried very hard to convince me otherwise. The Zapruder film was clearer than this thing, and that was taken 45 years ago on a tiny handheld camera.

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Originally Posted by Marvo

You're just being fucking dumb now.

Give me one good reason for why that event wasn't recorded in super quality. Just one.
And no, "People were too busy being religious" doesn't work. Surely they'd record it in good quality, so that other religious people could see it aswell.

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im not saying nothing wasn't recorded

i was also saying dont expect to find it casually on youtube

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Originally Posted by juroara

im not saying nothing wasn't recorded

i was also saying dont expect to find it casually on youtube

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Great! Can't wait to see it.

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Originally Posted by juroara

im not saying nothing wasn't recorded

i was also saying dont expect to find it casually on youtube

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Where is it then? Do I get it on a DVD when I buy the Bible?

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Originally Posted by juroara

I am comparing this supposed vision of the Lady, to other visions of the Lady held by the Catholic church. There are many, and they are called, Lady of - where ever she was seen. Like Lady of the Lake, or Lady of the Guadalupe.

Fatima is the most famous of Mary appearances and set the standard for what the church views as an authentic appearance. There. Is. Always. A. Message.

thats all I am saying. thats why church officials as far as I know it, don't agree with the followers that this is Mary - not until someone starts claiming they have a divine message that is. the general belief is, she comes when she has something to say. And she will say it clearly in spoken language as well.

the visions of the Lady are known for their clarity actually, not obscurity.

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Being from Portugal, the appearances from Fátima came up often during my Catholic education.

I find the whole thing interesting but the religious interpretations and conclusions are rather silly.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Being from Portugal, the appearances from Fátima came up often during my Catholic education.

I find the whole thing interesting but the religious interpretations and conclusions are rather silly.

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What? Someone else from Portugal? GASP!! D:

Kromoh doesn't count, he's Brazilian :P

Ha! Didn't expect to find someone else from Portugal here, specially defending an atheist position. :lol:

I think with three Portuguese speakers we can successfully take over the chat.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Ha! Didn't expect to find someone else from Portugal here, specially defending an atheist position. :lol:

I think with three Portuguese speakers we can successfully take over the chat.

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Ahh unfortunately, my prolonged residence in the UK has left me with a really broken knowledge of Portuguese, so I can't really be called a Portuguese speaker. Annoying really, but hey, when you live so many years in another country and no one speaks to you in your native tongue, it is kinda hard to be able to maintain your ability to speak your native tongue.

A shame really :(

So then, where are the high quality videos at? Why aren't they being openly shared?

I have yet to understand why people insist on witholding knowledge. I guess playing games is more fun? That doesn't help the public discourse at all, though.