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      Religious differences in relationships

      Can it work? I know some very cool women who are Christian (and Jewish and Rasta), and it doesn't intrude on our friendship too much, but when there's chemistry and developing intimacy, it becomes an issue.

      I'm essentially Buddhist, though not a very good Buddhist boy. I can see how other symbol sets overlay the human condition, but the one-god/Sky Daddy meme in particular strikes me as a poison pill, a comfort for the believer at the expense of society and all that lives. Only once has it been a serious consideration (and to some extent that's an ongoing situation), but it's practically equivalent to knowing the other person has herpes--you might accept that to be with this person you also accept this unpleasantness into your life, but it's a strong con.

      What do you think? Could you be with someone with a different religion? If religious could you be with a strict materialist/atheist (perhaps a strong humanist)? If atheist/exclusively scientific, could you be with a religious person?

      And why can't I meet any nice Buddhist girls?
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      I'm sure you have.

      You just didn't notice because of the bald heads and whatnot...

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      Oh come on Buddhism has the advantage of being more of a way of life, a philosophy, as opposed to simply a religion. I think you theoretically have it much easier than others to be more tolerant of people from a different religion.

      Before I became a strong atheist, I dated people ranging from Hindus to Catholics, and it was perfectly fine because none of these people's lives were ruled by their religions. Religion was only one small part of them, much like choice in food or political beliefs or whatnot.

      Since I've become a full blown atheist, I've been a little bit more sensitive to certain things people say... but I'm easy going and it still has never been a problem. But - I could never date a fundamentalist Christian or something like that, because that kind of person would probably never shut up about their religion. I have a friend who is precisely like that - because we're just friends, I tolerate it and just keep my mouth shut whenever he talks about religion (which is at least once every time we get together)... but dating that person? Nooo way.

      And it's not just the fact that the religious differences are so big between me and this particular person. If we differed so greatly on ANY major subject, the same would happen. It's just human nature.. we tend to form relationships with people whom we're most similar to.

      So, erm, I guess my point is that as long as you and your partner take a damn chill pill and don't take life too seriously, it will be fine. But it's not easy to find a religious person who is willing to do that.

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      I went out with a serious Catholic a few years ago. She taught Sunday school every Sunday and was really into it, even though she smoked lots of weed and had no problem with premarital sex. She also was not preachy at all. We got very close. One night I asked her if she believed I was going to be tortured for eternity, and she flat out said she believed I was going to be. That really made things seem messed up. We are supposed to care about each other and be really close, but she thinks in the end I burn forever? Screw that. I could never really get past that. Also, IF I had married her and had kids with her, I would have made sure she didn't teach them that horrible stuff. I would have started telling the kids as soon as they could talk not to listen to what the world tells them about religion. I know that would have created major issues, even to the extent that we could not have had kids together. And I don't want to be married to somebody who thinks I am going to be tortured forever and ever.

      Well, I didn't want to get married or have kids any way, and her heart was set on both. That is pretty much what ended everything. She ended up marrying somebody who wants to have kids and is a Christian she doesn't think is going to burn forever. He also agrees with her politically, unlike me, and is in the same line of work, the details of which went in one ear and out the other every time she told me about it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      One night I asked her if she believed I was going to be tortured for eternity, and she flat out said she believed I was going to be.
      Damn! Makes me wonder how she was able at all to get close to you.

      (And how again was she immune from hell with all her drugs and premarital sex? )

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      (And how again was she immune from hell with all her drugs and premarital sex? )
      Catholics confess their sins to their priests and are forgiven for all of them.
      You are dreaming right now.

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      My parents are of different religion, and they have been fine for twenty years of marriage.

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      It's a real shame that there have, are, and will be plenty of people who would otherwise be very compatible if it were not for religion.

      Of course, the same could also be said of other nonsense like astrology, and many other things.

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      It doesn't depend on their religious label for me as much as their religious intellect. If they haven't given proper thought to esoteric topics but still think they understand something, then it's not going to work out.

      I've pretty much sworn off sexual relationships with anyone that thinks they actually know anything about the universe, and with anyone that has no esoteric inclinations at all. Not sex with these women, just relationships that include sex.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      I'm dating a roman catholic.


      One of those who is always bored in church and has it more as a habit than real faith.


      The aim now is to nullify her religious belief; that which hasn't already been destroyed by the mind numbingly boring services they have.

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      I dunno. I just don't think Christians, Catholics included, are a very well read or well rounded people. They believe too much in an old law based on vengence written by men. Nothing could be so pathetic. Why would you condem someone you dearly love to hell just because they are well read and not stupidly ignorant.
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      Yes I agree on the boring services. Those preachers are pathetically mind numbing boring. Everybody should participate in church. NOT just one person.

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      It doesn't get in the way unless the person is intent on shoving their beliefs or lack of down your throat. It's all good as long as they have respect for your beliefs.

      When I used to be a "Muslim," I think the majority of the guys I dated were atheists. It didn't bother me at all, we hardly discussed religion or anything along those lines.

      Now that I'm a full blown atheist, like UM, I would have a lot of difficulty dating someone who thinks I'm going to burn in Hell. :p Also, the issue with marriage/kids comes up. I foresee lots of problems with that.

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      I'm a pagan, dating a Presbyterian. It's worked well for us, for the last six months. Before that, I was dating/engaged to an agnostic/atheist for four years.

      It can work, like Xox said, if you don't go about pushing your beliefs down the other person's throat.

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      ITS OKAY! I know its kinda scary outside of the cave, but look there's a bright and happy sun.

      but no really. people tend to want someone who has the same philosophies in life..but what if..you were wrong? would you want to know? a lot of people are befriending and loving someone with a polar oppisite philosophy. I would argue my best friend is an atheist.

      you have to stop and ask why. is it really good for you to be with someone who is just like you? you would never grow and change!!

      things were very different in the past. people feared going outside of their mental cave - thus being christian and christian wasn't even enough. You had to be the same denomination!!

      things today are different, times are changing. were all crawling out of the caves and thinking, you know, this is kinda neat

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      I guess the prolem only begins at the marriage and kids stage when you have to think about ceremonies and religious education and stuff. But even then, a compromise is possible with effort.

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      I don't think I could have any sort of lasting relationship with a devout monotheist or a devout atheist. Anything else I would be fine with, even those two if they are open and laid back about their beliefs.

      Its not that I can't respect different views, or even that I think they are definitely wrong; I just can't respect strong beliefs that are so exclusive. I can't respect the belief that everyone else is definitely (or even just almost definitely) wrong. If I can't respect your beliefs, ultimately I can't respect you; and thats the end of anything serious.

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      I don't care what religion they have. As long as shes pretty, thats all that is really important, the rest I can change in the long run ^^ You can change their minds, but not their face.
      "Reject common sense to make the impossible possible." -Kamina

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      Quote Originally Posted by apachama View Post
      I guess the prolem only begins at the marriage and kids stage when you have to think about ceremonies and religious education and stuff. But even then, a compromise is possible with effort.
      I plan on having two ceremonies. One for him and most of the family, and one for me.
      Of course, it helps that the second ceremony I'm planning isn't going to require renting a hall, or catering for guests, or anything like that. A lot less expensive that way.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba View Post
      I don't care what religion they have. As long as shes pretty, thats all that is really important, the rest I can change in the long run ^^ You can change their minds, but not their face.

      Wow. That's wrong on so many levels. You've obviously never had a girlfriend before.

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      ^ Second THAT emotion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      I don't think I could have any sort of lasting relationship with a devout monotheist or a devout atheist. Anything else I would be fine with, even those two if they are open and laid back about their beliefs.

      Its not that I can't respect different views, or even that I think they are definitely wrong; I just can't respect strong beliefs that are so exclusive. I can't respect the belief that everyone else is definitely (or even just almost definitely) wrong. If I can't respect your beliefs, ultimately I can't respect you; and thats the end of anything serious.
      That's pretty much where I'm at. I couldn't see myself with someone who believes their worldview is completely and exclusively true, regardless of the details. They could follow Jesus, Buddha or George Foreman if they hold their views lightly.
      If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama



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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      Wow. That's wrong on so many levels. You've obviously never had a girlfriend before.
      You're right; if you push a girl to work out and eat a certain way, you can change their face too.

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      in quite a few cases i think it can't work out, especially if it's a non-religious and religious person.

      I was talking to some girls at my school about this, their all Muslim. Their parents would not allow them to have a relationship with a boy who was not Muslim, end of story. My mums best friend who is a strong Muslim and a father of two daughters, said he wouldn't mind what faith their partner had as long as they had a faith, because to him all religions are a different path to the same God but the faith does matter.

      Personally i think i could have a long term relationship with a religious women as long as she was relaxed about her faith and did not look down upon me for not sharing it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      Wow. That's wrong on so many levels. You've obviously never had a girlfriend before.
      You really think any relation could work out without you changing yourself?
      "Reject common sense to make the impossible possible." -Kamina

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