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Originally Posted by Amethyst Star
Why does everybody think that this is the solution?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
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How about this?
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Makes a lot more sense to me.
Now that I have created it, it must be captioned. I'll start.
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It's just a method for controlling women.
Simple as.
And the award for the most reductionist simplification goes to......Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Are you honestly that stupid?
No, I take that back. Of course you are.
No surprises there at all.
Forcing women to be reclusive and cover themselves up? Yea, that's called control.
Farm animals have more rights than womeon in Middle-Eastern countries.
Please, in the old days we dressed up our women much the same like some islam people still do.. but if you go to any islamitic country, you'll see that in the big cities, those people live exactly like we do in the big cities! They also have girls running around halfnaked, don't worry. You sometimes spot a "ninja", thats what the youth calls the unlikely woman who still dresses like that.
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Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
And all of these cities in these lovely countries are...?
You are someone who has previously admitted that you know nothing about Islam. Suddenly your an expert? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Maybe it doesn't take an expert to see the women are being controlled.
You guys are totally missing the point of the thread...
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But there is no point and no creadence, in making definitive judgements about something that you admittedly know nothing about. He seems to do it all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kael Seoras
Then what the fuck are you doing in this forum?
Because I evidently don't apply, you "ugly, prepubescent teenage kid".
Could you inform the uninformed about the true nature of Islam in regards to women?
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Originally Posted by psychology student
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Originally Posted by Kael Seoras
"Ah, ha ha ha ha ha"Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
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:lol: of course, Halloween every day.
Hahaha, this is the best one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korittke
If it was subjugation, why do women willingly were Hijabs in Western countries. I can see a group of them walking down my street right now.
Are you grimacing as much as me?Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
The same reason people are willingly christian; the same reason people willingly eat unhealthy foods.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
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Originally Posted by psychology student
Of course its bloody control.
Why do women in Islamic countries have much less rights than men? Because the Koran has been written in a sexist way that gives men all the power.
A woman can be stoned for not being found to be escorted by a man. Even if it was the males fault for being absent, the woman still gets the death penalty. Women have a set of extremely strict rules in comparison to men, hmmm i wonder?
Keep the devil out, my arse, if you can't see control there then you must constantly be rubbing shit in your eyes.
According to the Quran, a man's testimony is court is worth two women's testimonies. If that ain't sexist enough on its own, then seriously, you'd have to be pretty fucking blind.
The Qu'ran tells us; "women are your fields, go into them as you please".
I'll live and die by this, as a good muslim.
You guys have to admit, living in a man's world as a man would be pretty f'ing sweet. Unfortunately, women are people too.
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Originally Posted by bluefinger
Hey, have a heart. Their government is a sovereign nightmare of extreme oppression, and it is about as much business of ours if they oppress their women like that as it is if parents molest their children. A severely oppressive totalitarian government's country is only their business, and what happens in a home is the business of nobody outside of it. We should let them oppress in peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korittke
I have a problem with this picture. You fear they have no choice. If some say they have, and that they choose to wear the Hijab, suddenly they are deluded. So you are seemingly telling them how they should live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korittke
The choice is taken away through indoctrination or fear, maybe even a mix of both. Considering the inherent sexist nature of the Quran (and the Bible, if I might add), you shouldn't really have a problem with people criticising such medieval dress codes...Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
Apparently those women have Stockholm Syndrome if they were not threatened into saying that, but that does not mean the women who don't want to wear that stuff should have to be forced into it. The women in the picture at the top of the thread were wearing what was required of women under the Taliban in Afghanistan, and I know there were tons of women there who did not want to have to wear that in public but were forced to. I taught a girl who moved here from Afghanistan as soon as they were liberated, and she told me about the oppression. She was the hardest working student I ever had, and she was determined to become a doctor. She said it was because the Taliban did not allow women to be educated (Think about that one, feminists.), and now that she could be, she had major appreciation and was going to make the most of it. Having seen reality in the face like that really makes me roll my eyes when people say we "opposed our will" on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
Afghanistan is the worst example. There are Muslims in the UK who wear Hijabs willingly, e.t.c can you guys tell me about that too.
Does this mean you are also all for sharia in the UK? Because a few are willing to abide by it? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
Then it really is their final decision in that case, but I frown on the religious teachings that have them thinking they are obligated to wear those things. Fortunately it's not a situation that calls for outside physical force to save them.
Do you even know what Sharia law in the UK would entail, and how it would be implemented? You sound like you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluefinger
Yeah, but surely it isn't one of the purely religious teachings that you, as an atheist would regard as nonsensical, i.e. like prayer. The Hijab can be seen to logically adhear to its supposed purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Well then, care to enlighten me on how it would be implemented? Let's see how much you know on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
It isn't a purely religious teaching? What... the... fuck... are... you ON? It is nonsensical, as what is the purpose of such a dress code other than to pretty much isolate women? To show modesty? There are other ways to be modest other than covering your head (and in more extreme cases, face). Again, care to enlighten us on the supposed purpose of the hijab?Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
Firstly, could you explain how much you know on the implementation of Sharia?
Also, chastity is the long-term purpose of the Hijab
Dodging a question with another question. :roll: Come on Psych, you can do better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
Chastity? What... like abstinence-only sex education? Right... that has nothing to do with religious indoctrination....Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
Now see if they hadd jesus in their hearts we wouldn't have this problem!
Also: Who the fuck is "muhamed"?
<earth shattering sigh>
Why captions? Why?
There's no specifically good reason to wear a hijab. This is illustrated by the fact that only Muslim women wear it, especially when it's way too warm. Hence, deluded. If it was a personal choice of clothing you would expect some more people to wear it... atheist women, Jews, Eskimos... you don't find that. Because it doesn't serve a purpose and it doesn't look good. That's the whole point: It's supposed to make you less attractive. Which woman in her right mind would purposely make herself less attractive?
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Originally Posted by Korittke
Allah be praised, that is the funniest caption I have seen in a while. :lol:
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Originally Posted by psychology student
What do you think would happen to a muslim woman who suddenly decided to break free of the dress code?
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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant
"Smile!.... I said SMILE!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Korittke
"And cook me my damn supper before I break every bone in your face and don't have to answer to the government for it!"Quote:
Originally Posted by bluefinger
That is one of the funniest pictures I have seen in a long time, but at the same time, it represents something deeply disturbing.
Eh, no. I also see Muslim women who don't follow the dress code; there is such a thing a secular Islam in reality. What are you alleging would happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant
It depends on the country and the sect of Islam. Some governments and sects are more oppressive than others. They have the right to wear no head gear at all in the U.S. and Britain, but Muslim women did not have that right under the Taliban and still don't in other Middle Eastern countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
In the really old old days their women were incredible warriors. They often stood as the kings bodyguards. WHO DROPPED THE BALL???? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
Lol how can they read there holy book if they are blind folded or what you could do is take out there eyes.
Problem solved.....
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Where are you getting this information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Is that the first you have heard? Practically every news source that has ever talked about women's rights in Afghanistan shown the head gear in the original post and talked about how women under the Taliban had fewer rights than American dogs. At least dogs can go in public without being completely covered up. Hijabs are required dress code for women in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other Middle Eastern countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...#37;27s+rights
Law and custom by country
Country Law and custom
Afghanistan Under the Taliban, the burqa was obligatory. Under the current government, it is technically optional but in southern Afghanistan it is de facto obligatory.
Bangladesh There are no laws which require women to cover their heads, and it is not encouraged by the government. An increase in modern society has shown today women do not prefer to wear scarves especially in cities such as Dhaka, mainly it is worn by people in rural areas such as Sylhet and other towns.
France Religious symbols are banned from schools. This includes religious headcoverings and other such religious items.
Indonesia Headcovering is not obligatory under the law but some women choose to wear a headscarf referred to as a jilbab or kerudung. In some states headcovering is mandatory under Islamic law.
Iran The current Iranian government requires women to wear loose-fitting coats or cloaks in public such as the chador, as well as a head scarf that covers the hair.
Malaysia The headscarf is known as a tudung. Muslim women may freely choose whether or not to wear the headscarf, except for religious rites and ceremonies when the tudung must be worn.
Morocco The headscarf is not forbidden by law, but not encouraged by governmental institutions and generally frowned upon by urban middle and higher classes. It is becoming gradually more frequent in the north, but as it is not traditional, to wear one is considered rather a religious or political decision. In 2005, a schoolbook for basic religious education was heavily criticized for picturing female children with headscarfs.
Pakistan While Pakistan has no laws enforcing ħijāb, there are many parts of the country where there is strong social pressure for women to observe ħijāb, or purdah, which is a cultural practice observed even by some Islamized Hindus. Many Pakistani women who observe purdah wear a garment called the pak-chadar, a headscarf with attached veil. However, there are also many Pakistani women who simply wear a dupatta or chunari to cover their heads. These are long scarves, often made of a light material, that match the woman's garments. However, in the major cities of Pakistan most women do not wear Hijab.
Saudi Arabia The Saudi Arabian version of modest dress is composed of an abaya or loose robe, ħijāb or headcovering and niqāb or face veil. The Saudi niqāb usually leaves a long open slot for the eyes; the slot is held together by a string or narrow strip of cloth. Abaya and ħijāb are required for all women ; the niqāb is optional, but is worn by many Saudi women.[citation needed]
Tunisia Tunisian authorities say they are encouraging women, instead, to "wear modest dress in line with Tunisian traditions" i.e. no headscarf.[18]
Turkey In Turkey wearing religious symbols, including headscarfs for women was prohibited in public schools and state buildings, because of the secular establishment of Turkey.
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AHHH it's death himself!!!!:shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
I mean really i bet the grim reaper has it easy in eastern countries, he doesn't really stand out so much.;)
I was wondering, from a medical viewpoint, how do they get any vitamin D if their covered in black fabric when ever their outside? Also don't they overheat? I know it's thin material but still... not a lot of air reaching you, when you sweat the moisture will be trapped in your clothes.
I don't know about vitamin D but maybe the fabric doesn't completely stop it.. just like it wouldn't completely stop UV rays or something. Plus they can get it from other sources.
I bet it gets f-ing hot though. :shock: I see muslims around where I live in the summer, and I just can't believe they put themselves through that kind of thing for religious purposes.
Lulz.
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i think i were a women in one of those countries, i'd go find me a gun and rob a store:P It's not like they can tell who it is.
" OMFG she/he( in disguise..) just robbed us... I don't know if that was a guy hiding himself or a women! Check the CCTV( if it exists over there..).. Oh my god there's hundreds of them wearing the same get-up!!"
LOL!! That's a great idea!
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Originally Posted by Universal Mind
...sigh...one of the things about being a good mother to a young kid...the kid needs to see your caring face, it helps with bonding.
That's not to say this kid is totally screwed over, there is more to bonding than that, but, reacting to a pleasant face is pretty much hard wired into a kid. if you take a really young infant and show him/her a balloon with a smiley face, the kid will automatically smile back, even laugh.
I read an interesting article about a Muslim feminist who used Islamic doctrine to try and support her case. Unfortunately the article is on paper and I don't have it.
There are many cases of this, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_feminism for a few examples. Islam is behind the west right now. In the past the Islamic world has been more progressive than the west.
I love Islam. Its a wonderful faith. Bat-shit insane, if you ask me. But wonderful. What little of the Quran I've read has been beautiful. Can't say I understand it.
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't want to be a Muslim personally. But there's lots of things I wouldn't want to be. Well, actually thats not true. I love religions, I find them fascinating and impossibly cool. I'd be willing to be converted to anything except Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
The islam is like one of the biggest, or the biggest religion in the world, spread over all the continents. Saying all muslims are the same, is like claiming fundamentalist christians are the exact same thing as all other christians.
Lol you really think they keep on that ninjamask all the time? How are they supposed to eat? Through feeding tubes? Sure those ninjasuits are ridiclous, but don't exagerate it too much :P I don't really think burkas are such a big deal or even ugly (except for the full-ninja suits), but women being forced to wear them is a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kael Seoras
Mmm, I like seeing womens faces rather black cloths, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
All burka designers, manufacturers and retailers will go out of business. :banana:
those outfits are a hatred and a disgust of the feminine. females who wear them buy into the religious ideas of shame
it flabbergasts me because it wasn't always like this, ive heard stories of how modern some of these places used to be