"Choosing to Believe" 2 + 2 = 5: The Interviews

**Universal Mind** · 07-04-2008 08:22 PM

**really** · 07-05-2008 05:15 AM

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**Patrick** · 07-08-2008 01:32 PM

What the hell is this thread about?

**Minervas Phoenix** · 07-08-2008 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

**Universal Mind** · 07-08-2008 07:22 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qaQ3O444sDM

**Cyclic13** · 07-09-2008 02:42 PM

**Minervas Phoenix** · 07-09-2008 03:25 PM

**Cyclic13** · 07-09-2008 05:12 PM

**Minervas Phoenix** · 07-09-2008 05:33 PM

**Cyclic13** · 07-09-2008 06:30 PM

**Minervas Phoenix** · 07-09-2008 06:54 PM

**Universal Mind** · 07-09-2008 08:30 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zj_EzQS-pEY

**Xei** · 07-09-2008 08:42 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

**really** · 07-10-2008 11:25 AM

**Minervas Phoenix** · 07-10-2008 03:14 PM

Xei, Universal Mind, Very old poor quality footage you are posting. Not posting, linking. Face the future for we can see you're not completely up to date instead living in the olden days with Rick Roll. But even the olden days we remember today. I know what you're trying to do and I don't like it.

**Universal Mind** · 07-10-2008 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by really

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Xei, Universal Mind, Very old poor quality footage you are posting. Not posting, linking. Face the future for we can see you're not completely up to date instead living in the olden days with Rick Roll. But even the olden days we remember today. I know what you're trying to do and I don't like it.

Don't try to compare Bad Company to Menudo, and don't ever try to compare ANYBODY to The Fabulous Freebirds. There will never be another Michael Hayes and Terry Gordy.

**ubigcow** · 08-31-2008 01:24 AM

I'm not quite sure what this thread is about, but from reading the first page it seems to be about people choosing to believe.

Aparrently, some do not belive that people can choose what to belive. That is silly. Many of the threads posted on these forums (ones about actual DREAMS) involve people choosing what to believe. For example, when I am LDing and I need money, I choose to believe that it is somewere accessable, like in my back pocket or in a trash can or behind something. I realize that this is different than choosing to believe that 2+2=5, but the fact that one is choosing to believe is undeniable. Sorry to bring this thread back on topic, as I see it.

**RooJ** · 08-31-2008 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by ubigcow

For example, when I am LDing and I need money, I choose to believe that it is somewere accessable, like in my back pocket or in a trash can or behind something.

This can't really be applied to reality though. The reason is that in dreams you already have the belief that you can summon/will things into existence. You arn't creating or changing a belief system as much as using one you already have.

Also remember that the crux of this is changing, or in this case completely replacing, a solidly held belief system. Could you choose to believe that the moon was made out of cardboard for instance? And before someone says that's stupid, it may be worth reviewing some of the many claims religions put forward, afterall thats what we can apparently start wholeheartedly believing in so easily.

Oh, and i have to ask... why do you need money in an LD anyway?

**poog** · 08-31-2008 04:51 AM

good lord, I don't know why anyone would want to bring these thread back to life...

2+2=5?

I think mitosis could explain all of this...

**Universal Mind** · 11-20-2008 04:08 PM

**Bonsay** · 11-20-2008 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by RooJ

Could you choose to believe that the moon was made out of cardboard for instance? And before someone says that's stupid, it may be worth reviewing some of the many claims religions put forward, afterall thats what we can apparently start wholeheartedly believing in so easily.

The more stupid it is, the easier it is to prove that you can't choose a belief.

Why is the moon statement above so stupid? Because it's irrational and thus unbelievable. Who wants to try to believe something unbelievable like 2+2=5?