Thread: "Choosing to Believe" 2 + 2 = 5: The Interviews

boy oh boy oh boy.....

Maybe someone out there has the knowledge to appreciate the answer.

Wrong. a and b cannot be just any values. There is an exact division on a line segment where the golden ratio works. The longer segment's ratio to the smaller segment must be 1.6180339887. It does not work with 4 and 5. 9/5 does not = 5/4. If it did, 36 would equal 25 since the cross products of any proportion are automatically equal.

It is not about a and b values. It's between them. what do you mean there is a exact division on a line segment where it works? That makes no sense at all. What are you talking about? At least what I say makes perfect sense. 1.6180339887 is not the full number of the golden ratio so it's not even the proper value for it. It works with any measurement that you can do. it doesn't have to be a particular size to work.

I don't even think you understand what the golden ratio is. As when I asked you what is was all you did was quote me. Then you gave an incorrect finite value for it.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

I don't even think you understand what the golden ratio is. As when I asked you what is was all you did was quote me.

No, I quoted myself.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Then you gave an incorrect finite value for it.

No, that is the correct value. It is right there in the very link you provided.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

It is not about a and b values. It's between them. what do you mean there is a exact division on a line segment where it works? That makes no sense at all. What are you talking about? At least what I say makes perfect sense. 1.6180339887 is not the full number of the golden ratio so it's not even the proper value for it. It works with any measurement that you can do. it doesn't have to be a particular size to work.

The people who come to this site are much smarter than you think. It's not like they're going, "Uh, what that Mivervas is saying sounds like it might make sense to a smart person, so maybe she's right." 9/5 does not equal 5/4, and the vast majority of the people who read this will know that. It is not the case that any two line segment single division measures will give the golden ratio. It is simple, and you are not going to fool too many people with this pathetic game you are playing. Your trolling is becoming a major failure. I hope trolling is not your only hobby.

It is not the case that any two line segment single division measures will give the golden ratio.

That makes absolutely no sense. It is proven in mathematics that the golden ratio exists through basic line drawings. It can be drawn to any size the size does not matter.



Draw it smaller with the same proportion and the same value is present even though it will be a different size.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

boy oh boy oh boy.....

Maybe someone out there has the knowledge to appreciate the answer.

I appreciate the creative aspect... but am disappointed with the outcome of failure.

Did you even read any of the wikipedia page that you just quoted? This has nothing to do with 5 equalling 4. Either you are playing a joke, or you're just stupid.

In fact, with the numbers put into that equation as Kael did, it doesn't even fit the principals of the Golden ratio if you actually work it out. (9:5 does not equal 5:4)

You understanding of mathematics is very lacking, and I would guess that you are currently in a Pre-Algebra class

Hey StephenT

The conclusion was 5 can equal 4. From the existence of the proportions evident in the golden ratio. Value is made insignificant if you can measure the same proportion in different amount sizes.

I don't know how else to explain it.


Universal mind. Why are you blatantly making things up? In the link I provided the golden ratio is approximately 1.6180339887.[1]. But it has no finite value. You are just wrong and hoping others will not find out? Why else would you be arguing it makes no sense.

Here's how ratios work.

a is to b as c is to d

a/b=c/d

a*d=b*c

Let's use your ratio.

4 is to 5 as 5 is to 9

4/5=5/9

4*9=5*5

36=25

Your ratio has been disproved.

4/5=5/9
4*9=5*5
36=25

That is nothing to do with the golden ratio though. Study this drawing please.



Whatever size you make it. The proportions will be the same. The value in between will be the same. Hence whatever value a number is the proportion is the same as the other numbers.

When the numbers fit into the golden ratio. Not every number works within the golden ratio.

Here, gimme a sec, I'll try to demonstrate it graphically.

You can see that the length of CD will always be the same CD length no matter what size you make the drawing. You can see that though right?

Saying that not every number is included in the golden ratio is like saying that you can't choose what size to make that drawing. I know that isn't what your saying but every number does fit into the golden ratio because you can make the drawing to any size and it will still work. Measure the proportions to any number you wish. It will still work.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

In the link I provided the golden ratio is approximately 1.6180339887.[1]. But it has no finite value.

The golden ratio is infinite?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Well, here we go.

Here's the golden ratio with numbers 5 and 4 and 9


The one segment is made up of 5 parts


The other is made up of 4 parts


or...uh..looks like 3 parts there...

Good demonstration. Yep, it is very close to being a 5 to 3 split. 8/5 is very close to 5/3. 24 is very close to 25, but 25 is far from 36. The golden ratio does not work for 4 and 5.

This is all beside the point any way. Minervas took the golden ratio, improperly inserted 4 and 5, and then made an equality point that was not even coherent.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Good demonstration. Yep, it is very close to being a 5 to 3 split. 8/5 is very close to 5/3. 24 is very close to 25, but 25 is far from 36. The golden ratio does not work for 4 and 5.

This is all beside the point any way. Minervas took the golden ratio, improperly inserted 4 and 5, and then made an equality point that was not even coherent.

I planned to get to that but got held up...by there not being 4 parts...anyway I think I proved the insertion of 4 was improper.