Thread: "Choosing to Believe" 2 + 2 = 5: The Interviews

That's exactly what I am saying. Thanks for the diagram. lol.

9 is to 5 as 5 is to 4

In this example according to the golden ratio 9 and 5 have the same value between them as 5 and 4. If 5 and 4 a different amount can have the same value present as 9 and 5. Then 4 on it's own can be justified as similar to 5 because of this mathematical proportion existing.

The reason I can say it's the same value is because in between those numbers the golden ratio proves there will always be the same proportion existing. It's another way of saying numbers can be divided to any value from any amount present. So 4 and 5 must hold the same amount if that is even possible. Otherwise they couldn't be divided identically with the same result with the same value in this way. This is proved through the proportions stated which can be measured against the numbers themself mathematically. Although it would take an infinite amount of divisions to get the value. The value is proved existing already through the presence of the golden ratio.

That formula is correct

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

That's exactly what I am saying. Thanks for the diagram. lol.

9 is to 5 as 5 is to 4

According to the golden ratio 9 and 5 have the same value between them as 5 and 4. If 5 and 4 a different amount can have the same value present as 9 and 5. Then 4 on it's own can be justified as similar to 5 because of this mathematical proportion existing.

The reason I can say it's the same value is because in between those numbers the golden ratio proves there will always be the same proportion existing. It's another way of saying numbers can be divided to any value from any amount present. So 4 and 5 must hold the same amount if that is even possible. Otherwise they couldn't be divided identically with the same result with the same value in this way. This is proved through the proportions stated which can be measured against the numbers themself mathematically.

That formula is correct

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

Wrong. a and b cannot be just any values. There is an exact division on a line segment where the golden ratio works. The longer segment's ratio to the smaller segment must be 1.6180339887. It does not work with 4 and 5. 9/5 does not = 5/4. If it did, 36 would equal 25 since the cross products of any proportion are automatically equal.

Also, similarity is not synonymous with equality.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

You have it wrong I never said 9/5=5/4. What world are you in? That is not what the golden ratio is.

"9 is to 5 as 5 is to 4"

Did you even read any of the wikipedia page that you just quoted? This has nothing to do with 5 equalling 4. Either you are playing a joke, or you're just stupid.

In fact, with the numbers put into that equation as Kael did, it doesn't even fit the principals of the Golden ratio if you actually work it out. (9:5 does not equal 5:4)

You understanding of mathematics is very lacking, and I would guess that you are currently in a Pre-Algebra class.

Originally Posted by StephenT

You understanding of mathematics is very lacking, and I would guess that you are currently in a Pre-Algebra class.

Or a pre-troll class.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Even though it would take an infinite number of divisions to get the same value. The golden ratio itself can be measured from the numbers themself as existing so we know that it's possible.

That makes no sense. You just said nothing.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

9 is to 5 as 5 is to 4

There we go. Your words. Your false words.

boy oh boy oh boy.....

Maybe someone out there has the knowledge to appreciate the answer.

Wrong. a and b cannot be just any values. There is an exact division on a line segment where the golden ratio works. The longer segment's ratio to the smaller segment must be 1.6180339887. It does not work with 4 and 5. 9/5 does not = 5/4. If it did, 36 would equal 25 since the cross products of any proportion are automatically equal.

It is not about a and b values. It's between them. what do you mean there is a exact division on a line segment where it works? That makes no sense at all. What are you talking about? At least what I say makes perfect sense. 1.6180339887 is not the full number of the golden ratio so it's not even the proper value for it. It works with any measurement that you can do. it doesn't have to be a particular size to work.

I don't even think you understand what the golden ratio is. As when I asked you what is was all you did was quote me. Then you gave an incorrect finite value for it.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

I don't even think you understand what the golden ratio is. As when I asked you what is was all you did was quote me.

No, I quoted myself.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Then you gave an incorrect finite value for it.

No, that is the correct value. It is right there in the very link you provided.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

It is not about a and b values. It's between them. what do you mean there is a exact division on a line segment where it works? That makes no sense at all. What are you talking about? At least what I say makes perfect sense. 1.6180339887 is not the full number of the golden ratio so it's not even the proper value for it. It works with any measurement that you can do. it doesn't have to be a particular size to work.

The people who come to this site are much smarter than you think. It's not like they're going, "Uh, what that Mivervas is saying sounds like it might make sense to a smart person, so maybe she's right." 9/5 does not equal 5/4, and the vast majority of the people who read this will know that. It is not the case that any two line segment single division measures will give the golden ratio. It is simple, and you are not going to fool too many people with this pathetic game you are playing. Your trolling is becoming a major failure. I hope trolling is not your only hobby.

It is not the case that any two line segment single division measures will give the golden ratio.

That makes absolutely no sense. It is proven in mathematics that the golden ratio exists through basic line drawings. It can be drawn to any size the size does not matter.



Draw it smaller with the same proportion and the same value is present even though it will be a different size.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

boy oh boy oh boy.....

Maybe someone out there has the knowledge to appreciate the answer.

I appreciate the creative aspect... but am disappointed with the outcome of failure.

Did you even read any of the wikipedia page that you just quoted? This has nothing to do with 5 equalling 4. Either you are playing a joke, or you're just stupid.

In fact, with the numbers put into that equation as Kael did, it doesn't even fit the principals of the Golden ratio if you actually work it out. (9:5 does not equal 5:4)

You understanding of mathematics is very lacking, and I would guess that you are currently in a Pre-Algebra class

Hey StephenT

The conclusion was 5 can equal 4. From the existence of the proportions evident in the golden ratio. Value is made insignificant if you can measure the same proportion in different amount sizes.

I don't know how else to explain it.


Universal mind. Why are you blatantly making things up? In the link I provided the golden ratio is approximately 1.6180339887.[1]. But it has no finite value. You are just wrong and hoping others will not find out? Why else would you be arguing it makes no sense.

Here's how ratios work.

a is to b as c is to d

a/b=c/d

a*d=b*c

Let's use your ratio.

4 is to 5 as 5 is to 9

4/5=5/9

4*9=5*5

36=25

Your ratio has been disproved.

4/5=5/9
4*9=5*5
36=25

That is nothing to do with the golden ratio though. Study this drawing please.



Whatever size you make it. The proportions will be the same. The value in between will be the same. Hence whatever value a number is the proportion is the same as the other numbers.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

In the link I provided the golden ratio is approximately 1.6180339887.[1]. But it has no finite value.

The golden ratio is infinite?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Well, here we go.

Here's the golden ratio with numbers 5 and 4 and 9


The one segment is made up of 5 parts


The other is made up of 4 parts


or...uh..looks like 3 parts there...

Good demonstration. Yep, it is very close to being a 5 to 3 split. 8/5 is very close to 5/3. 24 is very close to 25, but 25 is far from 36. The golden ratio does not work for 4 and 5.

This is all beside the point any way. Minervas took the golden ratio, improperly inserted 4 and 5, and then made an equality point that was not even coherent.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Good demonstration. Yep, it is very close to being a 5 to 3 split. 8/5 is very close to 5/3. 24 is very close to 25, but 25 is far from 36. The golden ratio does not work for 4 and 5.

This is all beside the point any way. Minervas took the golden ratio, improperly inserted 4 and 5, and then made an equality point that was not even coherent.

I planned to get to that but got held up...by there not being 4 parts...anyway I think I proved the insertion of 4 was improper.