Thread: "Choosing to Believe" 2 + 2 = 5: The Interviews

Originally Posted by juroara

how can I temporary choose to believe in something, that I don't really believe in? I would not be believing. only PRETENDING.

BINGO!!! EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!

Originally Posted by juroara

you are taking the words so literally like a child just for the sake of arguing.

it is not the choice that creates the belief. NO ONE SAID THIS. saying you choose to believe something does not mean: A creates B. It means, the action of A must happen before the product of B.

it means, you can not believe in something unless you have chosen to believe in something. NOT that choice creates the belief.

Then explain what it means.

Originally Posted by juroara

I hope you never go to court and should ever have to testify, should you twist words around their meaning, piss the judge off and wind up in jail. why does the notion of belief being a choice piss you off so much?

I feel the issue is your lack of understanding of choice, and belief. Belief is HUGE. It makes up your whole WORLD. I mean, if we believed gravity stopped working we would jump out of our windows and kill ourselves. Belief then is pretty solid

Choice is not a thought.

You can not 'think' to choose to believe in something. You can not 'think' to choose to believe that 2 + 2 = 5. We don't think "I choose to believe in God" "I choose to not believe in God" before whether or not we do. No voice in your head was necessary when you made this choice. That choice, more than likely first started out as a feeling.

Choice is not the things you say. You can not SAY "I choose to believe in something illogical therefore I do". Does saying make you really choose to believe? No.

What is choice then, in relation to belief?

Not just saying words.

Not just pretending.

Not just a thought.

It is action of your entire consciousness and emotions. And if just one tiny part of your consciousness is against what ever it is you are choosing to believe in - whether it is your heart or logic - then there is doubt. Which can surface itself as ANGER, if people make you question that which you have chosen to believe in.

You choose to believe in gravity, because every part of your consciousness and being, right down to your toes tell you its true. The same is NOT true for every factual belief. Tell kids every where Santa Claus is based off a saint who is dead, and they'll call you a liar.

Did they choose to believe in Santa. Yes they bloody did. How do I know. Because I NEVER BELIEVED IN SANTA, I CHOOSE NOT TO. Shocking I know. But kids do choose to believe in fairy tales or not. And they choose when they stop believing.

Believe it or not, there are people who don't believe in gravity. And they have chosen to believe in this, for a reason that is beyond our reasoning. But I guarantee you, its a choice.

Why is it important to understand belief is a choice? You are responsible for the choices you make, you are responsible for the things you believe in.

None of that explains how belief is a choice. You said it is not a choice, then you said it is, then you refrained from explaining how it is. You are not making sense.

How is belief a choice? I know it is a state of mind that follows from thoughts and sometimes emotions, but how is it a choice?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

BINGO!!! EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!



Then explain what it means.



None of that explains how belief is a choice. You said it is not a choice, then you said it is, then you refrained from explaining how it is. You are not making sense.

How is belief a choice? I know it is a state of mind that follows from thoughts and sometimes emotions, but how is it a choice?

But 2+2=5 is impossible. What are you relating it too?

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

"(2785/27.983)^2" equals what?

bump...

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

But 2+2=5 is impossible. What are you relating it too?

The fact that you can't believe 2 + 2 = 4 and choose to believe 2 + 2 = 5. Are you serious?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The fact that you can't believe 2 + 2 = 4 and choose to believe 2 + 2 = 5. Are you serious?

Oh my God.. If you are relating this to religion you are completely wrong. I was hoping you weren't.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

Oh my God.. If you are relating this to religion you are completely wrong. I was hoping you weren't.

Why? A lot of people here claim religious belief is a choice. What do you think about that?


Who wants to do the first interview?

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

Oh my God.. If you are relating this to religion you are completely wrong. I was hoping you weren't.

How? How can you choose to believe in something?

You can't.
Choice requires motivation, and motivation requires belief, or a disregard for truth (combined with rewards for making this particular choice).

This thread both fails and wins because it's never going to make any progress at all.

Watching this thread go to waste is...'pointless'.

I accept in choosing to believe that 2 + 2 = 5, whenever I view this thread.

Fire your questions away; I haven't pre-meditated any answers, so whatever spews out does.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Watching this thread go to waste is...'pointless'.

I accept in choosing to believe that 2 + 2 = 5, whenever I view this thread.

Fire your questions away; I haven't pre-meditated any answers, so whatever spews out does.

What's 1+1?

Originally Posted by Korittke

This thread both fails and wins because it's never going to make any progress at all.

Agreed, It's impossible to argue with someone that he can choose his believes, if that person chooses to believe he can't. But at the same time, by disagreeing with me, he proves my point. But then theres still the ego whos in the way of the intelligence. If you have chosen to believe something all your life, its a big hit for your ego if someone tells you the opposite, wether it's true or false, the first reaction will be denial.

On top of that, this topic doesn't make any sense.
Because 2+2=5 is false in the system of believs of maths, you conclude that it is impossible to choose your believes? lol

I can choose to believe in a new system of maths I created myself, where the symbol for four is 5, and the symbol for five is 4. And therefor show that I can't only choose what I believe in, but I can also create my own system of believes. This is btw, how maths orignated, thats how the number-symbols orignated. Creations of the human mind.

Also, the fact that we are having an argument wether you can choose your believes or not, is a proof that you can indeed choose your believes, or we wouldn't be having this argument.

But yeah, I just keep repeating myself. In the end it boils down wether you choose to believe you have free will, or wether you choose to believe you don't. I choose to believe I do have free will. I don't believe in determinism.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Watching this thread go to waste is...'pointless'.

I accept in choosing to believe that 2 + 2 = 5, whenever I view this thread.

Fire your questions away; I haven't pre-meditated any answers, so whatever spews out does.

Thanks! It looks like Chaybachayba and Really don't want to participate in this examination of chosen belief, so I am glad you will. Chaybachayba just wants to assert that she can do it and not be tested. Okay, look at the $'s below.
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$ $

$ $
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1. How many $'s are in the group between the lines?

2. How many are in the top row?

3. How many are in the bottom row?

4. What is the sum of your answers to questions 2 and 3?

Finally you ask a question, it took you long enough.

1. four

2. two

3. two

4. two + two = four

I choose to believe the symbol for four is 5
I choose to believe the symbol for two is 2
I choose to believe the symbol for adding is +
I choose to believe the symbol for equation is =

So, I believe 2 + 2 = 5

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I choose to believe the symbol for four is 5
I choose to believe the symbol for two is 2
I choose to believe the symbol for adding is +
I choose to believe the symbol for equation is =

Holy shit. The point was to believe that 2+2=5, not changing symbols around so that 2+2=4.

Troll.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Finally you ask a question, it took you long enough.

1. four

2. two

3. two

4. two + two = four

I choose to believe the symbol for four is 5
I choose to believe the symbol for two is 2
I choose to believe the symbol for adding is +
I choose to believe the symbol for equation is =

So, I believe 2 + 2 = 5

Please answer in the generally accepted mathematical language of English speakers and not your own. Your dodgy language changing is not helping us get to the bottom of whether belief is a choice. All you have done is show that you can make up your own language.

Lol, whatever my answer is, you'll just say it's not an answer.

How can you test wether I believe 2+2=5? You can't. Therefor, I win by default.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Lol, whatever my answer is, you'll just say it's not an answer.

How can you test wether I believe 2+2=5? You can't. Therefor, I win by default.

Seattle Troll Statue

You're being the troll ignoring every single answer I give you.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

You're being the troll ignoring every single answer I give you.

Let me know if you ever end up actually having an answer. Until then, you are just engaging in typical lame trolling.

If you want to believe I'm a troll, thats your choice. Nothing I can do about it.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

If you want to believe I'm a troll, thats your choice. Nothing I can do about it.

Can someone please send a set of ropes to this guy so he can hang himself like the proper tool he is.

Another impressive argument.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Another impressive argument.

Another impressive argument.