Who created God?

**lagunagirl** · 05-29-2008 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

The wonderful thing about evidence is that it doesn't require 'belief'.

- The Big Bang Theory
- Cosmic microwave background radiation
- Expanding universe
- Redshifting of light due to velocity and perspective of observation
- Hubble's Law

Educate yourself. Please.

that's the thing with this though, how do scientists prove this? for one example, how they prove the universe is expanding? they give these reasons that make it sound logical, but can they actually see the universe expand? have they reached the edge of the universe, then gone back later to find it was further away? have they actually physically seen that the universe has expanded? no. not saying it isn't expanding, not saying it is, it's just that what the scientists are saying are only theories. They can't know for sure. we're too small and the universe is too big. all we can do is make logical assumptions when it comes to the creating of the universe, because we weren't there when it happened (if it was created at all)
So this is about belief, whether you have evidence or not. You can believe the evidence of what a scientists assumes happened, or you can believe your own experiences telling you that God exists, but whichever it is, it's based on your belief. I dont know how you can think that belief doesn't come into this

it's RELIGION!

oh btw dreamworld, I know you're not an athiest, I'm sorry I implied it there though, I didn't really mean to. I was just taking a question and making a comment on it

**Sisyphus50** · 05-29-2008 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

that's the thing with this though, how do scientists prove this? for one example, how they prove the universe is expanding? they give these reasons that make it sound logical, but can they actually see the universe expand? have they reached the edge of the universe, then gone back later to find it was further away? have they actually physically seen that the universe has expanded?

Why don't you try reading the articles I listed instead of glazing your eyes over and quoting them? The answer to every question you just asked is right there in the links - stop being lazy.

scientists are saying are only theories. They can't know for sure. we're too small and the universe is too big. all we can do is make logical assumptions when it comes to the creating of the universe, because we weren't there when it happened (if it was created at all)

Stop thinking like a layman. In science, theories are more powerful than facts because they group and explain a large number of facts and models. A theory in science is not a guess I had while looking through a telescope and scratching my ass.

So this is about belief, whether you have evidence or not.

This is not about belief. You can go out and do these tests yourself if you have the right equipment. Belief denotes a requirement of faith. You don't need faith (belief without evidence) when you have evidence - because you have evidence to support your claim!

You can believe the evidence of what a scientists assumes happened, or you can believe your own experiences telling you that God exists, but whichever it is, it's based on your belief. I dont know how you can think that belief doesn't come into this

it's RELIGION!

So sitting around having little thought experiments (I use the word thought loosely, because you don't seem to have put much into this post at all) in your armchair is worth more than actually studying the world and Universe around us in peer reviewed scientific scrutiny to better the understanding of the human race via the quest for knowledge?

Originally Posted by Alextanium

"Phew, glad we got that sorted".

Here they are again - Read them this time. I know they are very long articles but nothing worth doing in life is easy, get used to it.

- The Big Bang Theory
- Cosmic microwave background radiation
- Expanding universe
- Redshifting of light due to velocity and perspective of observation
- Hubble's Law

**Serkat** · 05-29-2008 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

that's the thing with this though, how do scientists prove this? for one example, how they prove the universe is expanding? they give these reasons that make it sound logical [here I stopped reading]

If you don't get it, don't criticize it.

**Sisyphus50** · 05-29-2008 03:59 PM

Also, stop it with this notion that acceptance of scientific fact immediately negates your belief in God. It's a false dichotomy (a false choice). Off the top of my head having read this recently, something like 70% of polled scientists of academia believe in a god in some way, form or another.

You don't have to stay ignorant for the sake of keeping your faith.

**Serkat** · 05-29-2008 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Also, stop it with this notion that acceptance of scientific fact immediately negates your belief in God. It's a false dichotomy (a false choice). Off the top of my head having read this recently, something like 70% of polled scientists of academia believe in a god in some way, form or another.

More like 7...

Ironically, 7 is pretty spot on :p and that's 10 years ago in the USA. Here in Europe, you're dealing with figures around 1%.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

**Sisyphus50** · 05-29-2008 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Korittke

More like 7...

Ironically, 7 is pretty spot on :p and that's 10 years ago in the USA. Here in Europe, you're dealing with figures around 1%.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

I'll pin it down to a brainfart on my part, cheers for setting it straight.

**Maestro** · 05-29-2008 04:21 PM

I don't want to get into a debate. I'm just going to say that the Big Bang does not involve "something coming from nothing". Remember, before the Big Bang there was also no time, and because of that the matter and energy in the Universe does not need to have a beginning, just like God. Think of it like the very center of a black hole. All the energy and matter of the entire Universe was condensed into that one spot, and then it exploded into what we have today.

**psychology student** · 05-29-2008 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Korittke

If you don't get it, don't criticize it.

Dude, look at yourself.

**Serkat** · 05-29-2008 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by psychology student

Dude, look at yourself.

You seen that funky dude in the mirror? You should check him out.

**Ne-yo** · 05-29-2008 04:53 PM

Everyone is different and everyone comes to his/her own conclusion based off what they are willing to believe. The crazy thing about it all, is the fact that you have some Theist and Atheist that comes to common ground on certain events i.e., a Dynamic Universe, The Big Bang and the universe as finite. Then you also have some Theist and Atheist that believes the universe is Static, infinitly big. Either way in the end the only real difference is the fact that one believes in a creator where the other doesn't but the principles that are within could utimately support both areas and it does in some instances. I was arguing this same point in almost the same fashion as Alextanium to an Atheist in another thread. It's pretty amazing how the situation could be reveresed, but it is what it is my friends.