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But his was "ask me" that isn't very informative.

Oaths.

You must take oaths when in the Mormon religion in which you swear many things, that among them that you will not reveal the meaning of the sacred underwear, and other things, or you are signifying your approval of people to slit your throat and do other things to your body.

I’ve never heard the term “Neophyte before”. I asked my family and they weren’t familiar with the term either. Where did you hear it?

The information you provided about Joseph Smith is absolutely false. Your sources appear to be anti-Mormon sites, which will say anything to make the church look bad. There's no evidence that Joseph did any of these things. My "not very informative" thread already went over some of these issues (and it's still open, I've really been hoping someone would ask another question) like your accusation of Joseph being a con artist. This article does an in depth examination of these charges and the supposed "trial". This wiki article shows the "moonmen" accusation as the hoax that it is. This one explores many aspects of polygamy, including the accusations you made. You need to look for more than one, obviously biased, anti-Mormon source before saying something like that.

In Mormonism you can become a God when you die and have your own spiritual babies.

This is starting to upset. You clearly don't understand Mormonism and I don't know why you'd make a thread about it. That isn't one of out beliefs, it isn't anywhere close to any of our beliefs. Moonmen and spirit babies? Maybe you're simply mistaken, but it appears you, or the source you got this from is trying to spread misinformation about the church.

Originally Posted by 27

I’ve never heard the term “Neophyte before”. I asked my family and they weren’t familiar with the term either. Where did you hear it?

It is a different spelling of the word for the neophite wars.
I can not find very much information about this, though I have found a few pieces here and there and a youtube video that was being made by Mormons about the wars who decided not to do it for some reason...they made the trailer and then never carried on.

Originally Posted by 27

The information you provided about Joseph Smith is absolutely false. Your sources appear to be anti-Mormon sites, which will say anything to make the church look bad. There's no evidence that Joseph did any of these things.

Originally Posted by 27

My "not very informative" thread already went over some of these issues (and it's still open, I've really been hoping someone would ask another question) like your accusation of Joseph being a con artist.

I wasn't trying to say that your thread wasn't informative, but the problem is that your saying ask me questions about my religion...but the first question should be, what is your religion? You don't start out with any information about your beliefs and practices.

Originally Posted by 27

This article does an in depth examination of these charges and the supposed "trial". This wiki article shows the "moonmen" accusation as the hoax that it is.

First off the validity of his crimes aren't in question. They have more than one document of his arrests. Second...your using an apologetic site? http://en.fairmormon.org/Main_Page Meanwhile your more than willing to except J. Smiths account of an angel talking to him, yet when a religious person who took on some of the same responsibilities of Smith says that Smith said something equally far fetched, you wont take word on it because we can prove that men don't live on the moon.

" "The noted Mormon apologist Hugh Nibley published a book in which this statement appeared: "...if this court record is authentic it is the most damning evidence in existence against Joseph Smith." (The Myth Makers, 1961, page 142) On the same page we read that such a court record would be "the most devastating blow to Smith ever delivered." Because he could see the serious implications of the matter, Dr. Nibley tried in every way possible to destroy the idea that the court record was an authentic document."" source of quote, though not of my statement.

Of course your going to have the Mormons try to deny things that are crippling towards their religious leader.

This one explores many aspects of polygamy, including the accusations you made. You need to look for more than one, obviously biased, anti-Mormon source before saying something like that.

I am only saying what I have seen. You'll have to tell me what accusations I made so that I can understand and try to reach a reasonable form of conversation with you about the topic.

This is starting to upset. You clearly don't understand Mormonism and I don't know why you'd make a thread about it. That isn't one of out beliefs, it isn't anywhere close to any of our beliefs. Moonmen and spirit babies? Maybe you're simply mistaken, but it appears you, or the source you got this from is trying to spread misinformation about the church.

I should have said "spirit children" but none the less it is what your religion teaches (though the moonmen thing I can't vouch on, supposedly J. Smith said it in a letter and somewhere there is a picture of it that I have seen but I can't find it.

Mormonism also teaches that each husband and wife—each celestial companionship—will gain the opportunity to have spirit children and create worlds of their own. This is known in Mormon theology as exaltation, and it is the ultimate goal in the plan of salvation. The state of being gods and goddesses—eternal parents—brings joy and happiness that last forever.

Are you denying that the mormon religion teaches [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaltation_(Mormonism)]exaltation[/quote]

Can't you provide unbiased information? Without the need to eradicte Mormonism? Now I have to look this shit up.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

Can't you provide unbiased information? Without the need to eradicte Mormonism? Now I have to look this shit up.

S'cuse me I am giving you unbiased information. The first page is NOTHING but what occurred and what the Mormons believe. I am not going to lie about who Joseph Smith is, or was. There is evidence that he was a fraud and a con artist, I can not deny this evidence. Exaltation is a belief in their practices...

Joseph Smith has been said to have taught about men living on Mars.

Nothing I have said has come without warrant from the research I have done.

And btw, good, I hope you look it up, I can't find all this information on my own, why do you think I invited 27 to the thread? I want misconceptions cleared up as much as anyone else does.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Joseph Smith has been said to have taught about men living on Mars.

Eek, just to clarify this statement was wrong lol. I meant moon...I don't know why I said Mars...

Originally Posted by Sandform

It is a different spelling of the word for the neophite wars.
I can not find very much information about this, though I have found a few pieces here and there and a youtube video that was being made by Mormons about the wars who decided not to do it for some reason...they made the trailer and then never carried on.

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean. I think you might have meant "Nephite", which is the name of group of people in the Book of Mormon.

I wasn't trying to say that your thread wasn't informative, but the problem is that your saying ask me questions about my religion...but the first question should be, what is your religion? You don't start out with any information about your beliefs and practices.

I wanted to leave it as open as possible so anyone could ask anything about our beliefs, history, etc. I wanted clear up myths surrounding Mormonism, not give a history lesson/ sermon.

First off the validity of his crimes aren't in question. They have more than one document of his arrests. Second...your using an apologetic site? http://en.fairmormon.org/Main_Page Meanwhile your more than willing to except J. Smiths account of an angel talking to him, yet when a religious person who took on some of the same responsibilities of Smith says that Smith said something equally far fetched, you wont take word on it because we can prove that men don't live on the moon.

" "The noted Mormon apologist Hugh Nibley published a book in which this statement appeared: "...if this court record is authentic it is the most damning evidence in existence against Joseph Smith." (The Myth Makers, 1961, page 142) On the same page we read that such a court record would be "the most devastating blow to Smith ever delivered." Because he could see the serious implications of the matter, Dr. Nibley tried in every way possible to destroy the idea that the court record was an authentic document."" source of quote, though not of my statement.

Of course your going to have the Mormons try to deny things that are crippling towards their religious leader.

The validity of the crimes is in question. He wasn't a con artist and he was never convicted of money digging. There wasn't even a trial. Yes, he was arrested later many times on false charges, sometime before the governor of Illinois made it legal to kill Mormons. But if you're referring to some kind of an conviction in his youth of money digging or of him being a con artist, you are mistaken.

And yes, I am linking to an apologetic site while you were linking to site with a clearly anti-Mormon agenda. Why is my site any less valid?

I am only saying what I have seen. You'll have to tell me what accusations I made so that I can understand and try to reach a reasonable form of conversation with you about the topic.

Your entire second post is filled with ridiculous accusations that are completely disproved in the links I provided.

I should have said "spirit children" but none the less it is what your religion teaches (though the moonmen thing I can't vouch on, supposedly J. Smith said it in a letter and somewhere there is a picture of it that I have seen but I can't find it.

Mormonism also teaches that each husband and wife—each celestial companionship—will gain the opportunity to have spirit children and create worlds of their own. This is known in Mormon theology as exaltation, and it is the ultimate goal in the plan of salvation. The state of being gods and goddesses—eternal parents—brings joy and happiness that last forever.

Are you denying that the mormon religion teaches [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaltation_(Mormonism)]exaltation

We teach exaltation, but despite what wikipedia says, exaltation does not mean "becoming Gods and Goddesses". It means living in the presence of our Heavenly Father.

Originally Posted by 27

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean. I think you might have meant "Nephite", which is the name of group of people in the Book of Mormon.



We teach exaltation, but despite what wikipedia says, exaltation does not mean "becoming Gods and Goddesses". It means living in the presence of our Heavenly Father.

It is probably Nephite.


Well that may be what your sect preaches to you, but many ex-Mormons have come out and spoken candidly that their church has taught them this, and then when their church was confronted they denied it explicitly.

Are you allowed to talk about what the symbols on your clothes mean? Or will you die...

How are official records in question of validity?

But honestly it is pretty much pointless to debate about Joseph Smith, because the religion isn't even about him, it is about the message he gave.

I happen to believe that he was a con artist, because there is evidence to support it, but you can say the evidence is fraudulent if you like.

Christianity has taught monotheism from its foundation, the belief in the existence of one God. Mormonism believes in the existence of a plurality of gods. According to Mormonism, there are an infinite number of planets like earth in the universe, each with their god or gods who were once men who have evolved into godhood. Mormon theologian and Apostle Bruce McConkie states, "[A] plurality of gods exist . . . there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods."{3}

Joseph Smith wrote, "In the beginning, the head of the gods called a council of the gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and (the) people in it."{4}

http://wri.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/mormon-god.html