Thread: I Would Like To Apologize.. (please read)

I don't know what's more illogical and pointless- this thread's existance, or the replies to it.

WOW! The ok just wants to apologize for the fact that he( I'm assuming you have a bit since your apologizing), and other Christians, have sometimes been rude to people because they felt their were better people then non-believers and so were mean to them on occasion. Then everyone goes and picks apart an APOLOGY like we're in an English class or something. Geez no wonder Christians on this forum don't like the Atheists that much, because seriously no matter what they say, even if it's an damn apology, it gets criticized.... wow...

Well if it helps Spiritofthewold, I'm not forgiving you exactly because i don;t think you've done anything wrong but I'll say i forgive you anyways.

Meh anyway my school has taken an unusual turn anyway, I'm not sure whether it was because of a few complaints or what but recently in Our Church services on Monday morning the teacher that usually does them and tries to fit the word "lord" as many times into a prayer as possible has started saying stuff like. " Well i want everyone to reflect and think about their past, and present and future and how they need to improve upon their problems and sort out any past demons etc etc. If you are a person of faith then you could pray about this, ask God to sort out your past as he is always here to fix your problems.( then she will make up a prayer about the above issue with Lord in around 3=4 times each sentence, which even makes my religious friends kinda laugh, then they will like say Ah men to it)"

Basically that's an exact quote and it's interesting in the last three weeks that she's put a non-religious message first then said " oh, but if you are religious, pray and say this.". Wooo equality! God and/or human logic and empathy bless Great Britain!, not sure if America will catch on though..

It would be a better apology if you would distance yourself from that POS of a religion.

My 2 cents: Anyone who has been on this forum for at least a year knows spiritofthewolf. Anyone who hasn't needs to check his past posts and see why this post wasn't taken seriously. Every single post he's ever made in R/S has been "better than thou" stuck-up snobbery. So now he gets on and apologizes for OTHER Christians being snobs? And you guys are putting down the atheists for their reaction to this?

And that's on top of what Universal Mind brought up as well.

PS. that link was pathetic

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

My 2 cents: Anyone who has been on this forum for at least a year knows spiritofthewolf. Anyone who hasn't needs to check his past posts and see why this post wasn't taken seriously. Every single post he's ever made in R/S has been "better than thou" stuck-up snobbery. So now he gets on and apologizes for OTHER Christians being snobs? And you guys are putting down the atheists for their reaction to this?

And that's on top of what Universal Mind brought up as well.

PS. that link was pathetic

and by reading your posts and everyone's as well...they all pretty much sum up what you say "bettern than thou" stuck up and snobbery...

so what were you saying about MY POSTS again?


Don't judge my posts, about them being STUCK UP, when you come around and do the same thing..Its called being a Hypocrite.. We all fall under that category once in a while... even me...and yes...even you

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

and by reading your posts and everyone's as well...they all pretty much sum up what you say "bettern than thou" stuck up and snobbery...

so what were you saying about MY POSTS again?


Don't judge my posts, about them being STUCK UP, when you come around and do the same thing..Its called being a Hypocrite.. We all fall under that category once in a while... even me...and yes...even you

Being right gives you the right to have a "better than thou" attitude. That's why Chris Hitchens is cool while Kent Hovind is an asshole.

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

you dont even need to have religion to have all that you listed above..its pretty much what our world has come to now days...

besides with what you stated in the second half of your comment, covers atleast one of the things you listed above... and the comment that i just made..covers it as well...

basically we are beating a dead mule..

Religion promotes those things to a horrid extent, though.

Spirit,

I appreciate what you're trying to do, and it sucks that everyone is jumping on your throat as if you had told them to fuck off or something. But I won't apologize on their behalf, just like you shouldn't apologize on the behalf of the those you were apologizing for.

I recognize that there are many christians out there who, like you, aren't out on a quest to "save" everyone, preach their way, and tell gays how wrong they are about everything. Most of the rowdy atheists on this board realize that too, or at least, I hope they do. As energy-packed as this forum is, I bet in real life, they're mostly quite laid back, and they'd all get along in a social setting.

Instead of creating a thread to apologize on their behalf, just lead by example. There's no need to seek validation and call yourself out as different, because if it's really true, you will be respected for it automatically anyway.

So don't waste your breath on the "god-fearing", "warrior of god" variety of christian. There are much better things you can do with your time than to say "we're sorry"... YOU did nothing wrong... and the people who ARE trying to poison people's thoughts by re-writing the past (e.g. "christian nation") are:

1) not sorry
2) not going to be forgiven just because someone ELSE apologizes for them
3) going to leave us alone soon anyway, since the rapture is coming (it is, of course, in THEIR lifetimes for real again this time)

cheers

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

Don't judge my posts, about them being STUCK UP, when you come around and do the same thing..Its called being a Hypocrite.. We all fall under that category once in a while... even me...and yes...even you

I'm not calling you stuck up, I'm saying you are scientifically illiterate for posting the link to that theistic drivel that I called you out on. There's probably more in that link, but I couldn't bring myself to read past the usual creation talking points.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I'm not calling you stuck up, I'm saying you are scientifically illiterate for posting the link to that theistic drivel that I called you out on. There's probably more in that link, but I couldn't bring myself to read past the usual creation talking points.

I used to be Christian. And to think I actually fell for that travesty...
*shudders*

OK, peace, peace. What we have here is differnt beliefs, that is all. The Christian is trying to be nice and he is getting punished for the sins of his fathers. The Atheists trying to make their valid point that Chrisitanity is historically a violent an cruel religion. But we are individuals here, not mobs. Spiritwolf isa not the Spanish Inquisition. And the atheists are not NOT saved. You both are in the same boat. The christian wants evryone to be a christian and the atheist wants everyone to be an atheist. It ain't going to happen. So let us come down to the same level like spiritwolf says and realize that we all want to be good people here, even if we do not agree.
I don't believe in Santa Claus and I get upset that all those xmas movies make it look like you are a bad mean person if you don't believe in Santa Claus.
Many horrible things have happened in the name of religion. But that is not the true religion. That is the politicians and the priests in cahoots for power and exploitation. It is not spirituality's fault, it is ORGANIZED religion. It is not spirit of the wolf's fault. He came here very humble and was apologizing on behalf of xians. And it became a witch hunt against him. He was guilty in your eyes as soon as he said he was a Xian. Relax, he forgets he is a christian when he is in deep dreamless sleep. Just like atheists forget you are atheists during deep dreamless sleep. That is when we are whop we really are. Just people. Some people are democrats and some are republicans. Different strokes.
I had a dream once where everyone looked exactly like me and everyone had the same personality as me and agreed with me on everything. I couldn't form any relationships. Respect our differences. Debate is fine. But try to understand other points of view even if you disagree. I understand all points of view. It doesn't mean I agree. that is what I'm good at because I'm a gemini.

Originally Posted by Sagea

I used to be Christian. And to think I actually fell for that travesty...
*shudders*

Woes, weren't you a Christian just a few months ago? Maybe I am thinking of somebody else. (?) Did this forum change your mind?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

But god isn't real.

Jesus Christ, man. He said he wasn't here to preach, so you could at least give him that same respect and not shove your views down his throat.

Edit: Wow, after reading this thread, it seems almost all replies are just as bigoted and narrow as Seismosaurs. I was not expecting that. I see your point, spiritofthewolf, and I respect it and accept the apology .

Bigoted replies????? Spirit is an ignorant, pompous, belittling jerk-off. This is based off his other posts. Why should I suddenly be nice to him and say "ahh, he's apologizing for other people, what a nice sincere guy". Sorry, isn't going to happen. I still think he's a full-of-himself jerk. It has nothing to do with him being a Christian; there are many many Christians I respect just as much as atheists. If 27 or one of the other reasonable and overall nice religious guys on this forum that isn't stuck up their own ass made this EXACT same post I would have responded much the same way as Universal or you [Maestro]. I think that the others who responded similar to myself would agree with me here (not sure about Seis though )

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

Bigoted replies????? Spirit is an ignorant, pompous, belittling jerk-off. This is based off his other posts. Why should I suddenly be nice to him and say "ahh, he's apologizing for other people, what a nice sincere guy". Sorry, isn't going to happen. I still think he's a full-of-himself jerk. It has nothing to do with him being a Christian; there are many many Christians I respect just as much as atheists. If 27 or one of the other reasonable and overall nice religious guys on this forum that isn't stuck up their own ass made this EXACT same post I would have responded much the same way as Universal or you [Maestro]. I think that the others who responded similar to myself would agree with me here (not sure about Seis though )

Well, I haven't been here long, so I don't know how he usually acts. Either way, it's an apology, we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt. If he falls from his promise, then we can call him a hypocrite and all other imaginative names we can come up with.

What intrigues me is how you classify people into only two groups: Christians and "non believers." The statistics say your religion is minority. Only 30% of the world population is Christian. That doesn't mean the other 70% are non believers. At least 70% of that 70% believe in something. Show a little flexibility.

Originally Posted by Maestro

Well, I haven't been here long, so I don't know how he usually acts. Either way, it's an apology, we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt. If he falls from his promise, then we can call him a hypocrite and all other imaginative names we can come up with.

But he is a hypocrite. He says he's not here to preach, then in the last sentence tells us that salvation can only come through Jesus Christ. You can't have it both ways, and he couldn't help himself.

I appreciate the idea behind the apology, but it really isn't his to make. And posting bad science to back up your false claims doesn't help your case either.

We all need to just forgive and forget. If you don't forgive, at least forget it. You guys keep repeating the same stuff over and over again for no reason. Let those who believe believe and those who don't believe continue not believing. Im a Christian as well and I believe that Im as low as all humans no matter what they believe or what their religion is; atheist, Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, etc... IT DOESN'T MATTER. Christianity might have many violent events happen because of it, but isn't all of the human race violent ( many people are good and do not plan on doing anything very wrong in there lifetimes even though certain events might lead them into doing something wrong, but many people are bad and would do anything to hurt a person physically, mentally, etc.). Like SpiritoftheWolf said we are all alike whether we like it or not. Also what SpiritoftheWolf said we all can be hypocrites at times(he even admitted that he can be at times...so can I) so lets stop calling each other hypocrites....

This thread is a waste like pretty much every other thread on this board.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

This thread is a waste like pretty much every other thread on this board.

Intellectual discussion is never a waste, even when flaming is involved. It is always educational.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

But god isn't real.

OK that's one fucker of a first reply. It's so tight it's not even funny...

I used to call myself an atheist but I think, just as we could be a collective consciousness of many minor ones in our mind, there could be a collective consciousness for mankind, i.e. god. Many people see god to be a defined personality, a creator and a being of ultimate power. In my beleifs god has no set personality, he cannot judge mankind by saying what is right and what is wrong. He is a perciever, not a creator and thus he has no direct power over our world. Makes sense seeing as he never seems to do anything about this world.

On the other hand, I believe that if the Christian, Jewish and Islamic concepts of god as a personality turn out to be accurate (i.e. I actually WILL burn in hell for this) then god himself must have evolved in a higher world that may resemble our own. He must have a heavanly father and mother. My grandmother's a mormon and she says she beleives this. I don't see how in any other way an intelligence as PURE as god has the animalistic complexity to say it's wrong to wank at night (sorry for the stereotype).

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I used to call myself an atheist but I think, just as we could be a collective consciousness of many minor ones in our mind, there could be a collective consciousness for mankind, i.e. god. Many people see god to be a defined personality, a creator and a being of ultimate power. In my beleifs god has no set personality, he cannot judge mankind by saying what is right and what is wrong. He is a perciever, not a creator and thus he has no direct power over our world. Makes sense seeing as he never seems to do anything about this world.

Key word here is "could".

In the same way there could be a teapot orbiting the moon.



You need evidence or reason to believe, otherwise it's just because of a need for something, anything, extra-ordinary.

Douglas Adams had a point when he asked why can't we appreciate the beauty of a garden without having to think there are fairies at the bottom of it?

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I used to call myself an atheist but I think, just as we could be a collective consciousness of many minor ones in our mind, there could be a collective consciousness for mankind, i.e. god. Many people see god to be a defined personality, a creator and a being of ultimate power. In my beleifs god has no set personality, he cannot judge mankind by saying what is right and what is wrong. He is a perciever, not a creator and thus he has no direct power over our world.

Evidence?

Originally Posted by MrDoom

It's nothing I haven't heard before. And it's a pretty bad argument. Imagine a mass of water looking around at the glass which holds it, notes that the glass is in the same shape as itself, and thinks "This glass must have been specially made for me!"

That's a great point. I hate the argument that "wow, if it were any different we couldn't exist." Well your glass analogy is awesome -- us (life) developed to FIT the environment we are in. Say "life" (we haven't even defined that) developed on another planet where it was always really really damn hot. If that planet were like earth, that "life" would never have lived. Furthermore, due to the near infinite amount of planets, it becomes an almost 100% chance that at least one of them will support some sort of life.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

No it's not! Water is a polar solvent - which means it can only dissolve polar substances. If you try to dissolve a non-polar substance in water IT WILL NOT DISSOLVE. You need a non-polar solvent to dissolve non-polar substances. This is year 11 high school chemistry! Christian 'science' fails again.

I think I've made my point. I'm going to stop reading that site now before I have a stroke.

Actually, water IS known as the universal solvent. No offense or anything, but you are wrong. Water is known as the universal solvent not because it dissolves anything (and in defense of the guy writing the article, he never said it did), but because it dissolves a lot. Kind of funny how you bash that guy hardcore when you are wrong >.>