Thread: I Would Like To Apologize.. (please read)

Hey Folks,

First off I would like to say I am a christian.. But I am not here to preach.. But instead.. I am here to apologize...

You may be wondering why I would like to apologize..

I would like to apologize because I know there are some unbelievers out there, that have met Believers---and have gotten a bad first impression..

I guess in other words.. To put it bluntly.. There are christians out there in this world who think they are better then unbelievers simply because THEY BELIEVE..

I am here to stand up as a christian and Say, I am sorry.. Not because I am one of those who think they are better, but because "Thinking we are better" is what draws people away--not closer.

If you think about it.. Christians and non believers... Are exactly alike.. To shed some light on the subject.. 90 percent of americans.... Lie on a daily basis..

90 percent.. As a Christian I can tell you that, the whole 90 percent, isnt just Unbelievers... Its Believers as well...Not only that.. But Christians are just as likely to divorce as non believers...

You must be wondering why I am saying this--and not defending my Brothers in Sisters in the Lord...I am not downgrading or defending.. I am just simply bringing everybody-- Believers and Non Believers down to the same level..

Looking eye to eye for a change, instead of seeming like one is better then the other...

If you look at it through God's Eyes... Christian or not... Nobody is better then another.. Just because we believe, doesnt make us better then the person standing next to us who does not believe.. God's Love is unconditional for both..

Some Christians think that since they believe and are saved by Jesus Christ that their lives and the way they live are better then the next... Well Like i said.. God see's us all as equal.. No greater, No less..

And I am just sorry that some unbelievers have come across Believers that were not "Text book" Christians...

To close this up.. Christians are just humans like everyone else.. We fall short.. We Sin.. We Lie....We do what everyone else does.. Although some may not admit to that fact... Becoming a Christian doesnt mean "We are perfect"--Although some may think that-- It's suppose to mean that we understand how much we need Jesus-- Why-- Because of how short we fall from Him.. How we say one thing " I am a christian" and turn around and do the opposite..

Just Know that I am sorry for the fact that there are Christians out there who think they are better then the rest.. Because that is not the case.. I am not disappointed that I am Christian--not at all.

I am just speaking the truth.. That in all reality.. We are no different from eachother.. And only by the Grace and Love of Jesus Christ.. Can we all be saved together...


Thank you for reading.. Opinions are all welcome!

God Bless

DJ

But god isn't real.

i am not here to preach.. I respect your opinion....I just thought I would apologize...that is all... Have a good day

Apolagize for what?

There are three part to an apology:
- Admitting a mistake
- Saying it will not happen again
- Asking how you cna do better

You skipped all three.

ok, i guess my apology and what i wrote above would fall under.. Mistake..

and to explain..

I was apologizing for those who have met Christians who have "Mistakenly" thought they were better then others---just because they believe... when you think about it--nobody is better then the next...

thanks again

So why did you make this thread other than to ego bask and clarify nonpoints?

I don't get it.

Yes, your apology sure makes up for centuries of bloodshed, conversion-at-swordpoint, and scientific interference.

Because, after all, being a small, persecuted minority, you Christians are in the postion of all positions to make such an apology.

Hail Jebus!

*Paints a picture of a group of nine beating up one person to the point of near-death, and then saying "Sorry"*

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

But god isn't real.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

But god isn't real.

Jesus Christ, man. He said he wasn't here to preach, so you could at least give him that same respect and not shove your views down his throat.

Edit: Wow, after reading this thread, it seems almost all replies are just as bigoted and narrow as Seismosaurs. I was not expecting that. I see your point, spiritofthewolf, and I respect it and accept the apology .

Bigoted replies????? Spirit is an ignorant, pompous, belittling jerk-off. This is based off his other posts. Why should I suddenly be nice to him and say "ahh, he's apologizing for other people, what a nice sincere guy". Sorry, isn't going to happen. I still think he's a full-of-himself jerk. It has nothing to do with him being a Christian; there are many many Christians I respect just as much as atheists. If 27 or one of the other reasonable and overall nice religious guys on this forum that isn't stuck up their own ass made this EXACT same post I would have responded much the same way as Universal or you [Maestro]. I think that the others who responded similar to myself would agree with me here (not sure about Seis though )

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

Bigoted replies????? Spirit is an ignorant, pompous, belittling jerk-off. This is based off his other posts. Why should I suddenly be nice to him and say "ahh, he's apologizing for other people, what a nice sincere guy". Sorry, isn't going to happen. I still think he's a full-of-himself jerk. It has nothing to do with him being a Christian; there are many many Christians I respect just as much as atheists. If 27 or one of the other reasonable and overall nice religious guys on this forum that isn't stuck up their own ass made this EXACT same post I would have responded much the same way as Universal or you [Maestro]. I think that the others who responded similar to myself would agree with me here (not sure about Seis though )

Well, I haven't been here long, so I don't know how he usually acts. Either way, it's an apology, we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt. If he falls from his promise, then we can call him a hypocrite and all other imaginative names we can come up with.

Originally Posted by Maestro

Well, I haven't been here long, so I don't know how he usually acts. Either way, it's an apology, we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt. If he falls from his promise, then we can call him a hypocrite and all other imaginative names we can come up with.

But he is a hypocrite. He says he's not here to preach, then in the last sentence tells us that salvation can only come through Jesus Christ. You can't have it both ways, and he couldn't help himself.

I appreciate the idea behind the apology, but it really isn't his to make. And posting bad science to back up your false claims doesn't help your case either.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

But god isn't real.

OK that's one fucker of a first reply. It's so tight it's not even funny...

I used to call myself an atheist but I think, just as we could be a collective consciousness of many minor ones in our mind, there could be a collective consciousness for mankind, i.e. god. Many people see god to be a defined personality, a creator and a being of ultimate power. In my beleifs god has no set personality, he cannot judge mankind by saying what is right and what is wrong. He is a perciever, not a creator and thus he has no direct power over our world. Makes sense seeing as he never seems to do anything about this world.

On the other hand, I believe that if the Christian, Jewish and Islamic concepts of god as a personality turn out to be accurate (i.e. I actually WILL burn in hell for this) then god himself must have evolved in a higher world that may resemble our own. He must have a heavanly father and mother. My grandmother's a mormon and she says she beleives this. I don't see how in any other way an intelligence as PURE as god has the animalistic complexity to say it's wrong to wank at night (sorry for the stereotype).

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I used to call myself an atheist but I think, just as we could be a collective consciousness of many minor ones in our mind, there could be a collective consciousness for mankind, i.e. god. Many people see god to be a defined personality, a creator and a being of ultimate power. In my beleifs god has no set personality, he cannot judge mankind by saying what is right and what is wrong. He is a perciever, not a creator and thus he has no direct power over our world. Makes sense seeing as he never seems to do anything about this world.

Key word here is "could".

In the same way there could be a teapot orbiting the moon.



You need evidence or reason to believe, otherwise it's just because of a need for something, anything, extra-ordinary.

Douglas Adams had a point when he asked why can't we appreciate the beauty of a garden without having to think there are fairies at the bottom of it?

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I used to call myself an atheist but I think, just as we could be a collective consciousness of many minor ones in our mind, there could be a collective consciousness for mankind, i.e. god. Many people see god to be a defined personality, a creator and a being of ultimate power. In my beleifs god has no set personality, he cannot judge mankind by saying what is right and what is wrong. He is a perciever, not a creator and thus he has no direct power over our world.

Evidence?

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

I would like to say I am a christian..

I forgive you.

Originally Posted by wasup

Actually, water IS known as the universal solvent. No offense or anything, but you are wrong. Water is known as the universal solvent not because it dissolves anything (and in defense of the guy writing the article, he never said it did), but because it dissolves a lot. Kind of funny how you bash that guy hardcore when you are wrong >.>

Technically nothing I said was incorrect, but the way he worded the statement was misleading. Notice the difference between "water is a universal solvent" and "water is known as the universal solvent". If I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, I will retract my comment.

I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. This is the difference between myself and my opposition.

spiritofthewolf - if you are truly interested in the truth, and not just the jaded version of it that you have been taught, I ask you to watch these videos, read these websites and evaluate the evidence presented within them. If you can not understand anything in these videos I'll be more than happy to explain them.

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

You talk about gas prices...We have enough oil in this land of america alone, to survive just fine.. No need for the war..But mankind seems to think otherwise..

Why do you say America can survive on the oil it has? Where do you get your information?

Energy Information Administration - Energy Statistics from the US Government

U.S. Crude Oil Production: 5,102,000 barrels/day
U.S. Petroleum Consumption: 20,687,000 barrels/day

These numbers don't agree with your claim. This is why the US is the #1 importer of oil in the world.

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

Starvation in 3rd world countries...We have enough Aid to help them (We as in our Government) but we choose to turn away..

Starvation is caused by poverty. Poverty is caused, primarily, by overpopulation. Overpopulation is primarily caused by lack of education and economic instability. Throwing money at poor countries does not save starving people in the long run, but providing opportunities to trade does. That, and many people aren't comfortable with accepting hand-outs.

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRel...hartsandGraphs

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

Downgrading the person because of their beliefs.. Laughing at them because they believe something to be true... But nobody laughs at the fact that somebody may belief in Alien Spaceships?

Plenty of people laugh at those who claim visitation by UFOs, myself included. Belief in alien intelligence however is altogether separate and is no cause for ridicule. What we know about the Universe right now gives us excellent reason to believe that alien civilisations have/do/will exist other than our own. We have a great deal of evidence to conclude that alien species may be common in our own galaxy. All of this evidence is grounded in science.

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

No, no no.. but when it comes to somebody like Jesus Christ....That is a different story...

The claim that the Son of God can be killed, left in a cave for three days and then brought back to life is far more extraordinary a claim, and therefore requires far more extraordinary evidence to back it up, of which there is none. What you're displaying right now are signs of a classic persecution complex.

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

You ever sit back and think about why there is separation from Church and State? You ever wonder why you couldn't worship/preach your religion in school.

No need to think about it - it's in your very own Constitution. It's called the Separation of Church and State. The US was founded as a state not only free from religion, but in having freedom OF religion. Your founding fathers recognised that a governing body and religion can not exist together harmoniously without discrimination. The US was not founded as a Christian country, but a secular one.

You can worship in school all you want - it's called a private school. Public schools are government owned as as such are bound to uphold the Separation of Church and State. There is no law that says you can't pray for a better test score in biology class. What was removed was mandatory prayer, which is discriminatory to non-believers and other religions.

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

There is a STANDARD EDUCATION in America.. Meaning the schools must TEACH and STANDARD to everyone enrolled.. They teach you math, science,english...etc.. All 13 years until you graduate.. They teach you the way "They want you to be taught" the way "They want you to think"

A standard of education is the only way to accurately measure and gauge how effective education is. It exists as a measuring stick to hold each student against to see how well they retain their knowledge. Also it keeps consistency among teachers. Math, science and english are all very important subjects to be teaching children with growing minds. They are teaching you demonstrable truths, facts and knowledge. This is not a conspiracy to brainwash young minds - it's called education.

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

They will even teach you that Evolution or the Big Bang Theory as FACT..

Because they are facts - as well as we can know them to be right now they ARE facts.

Evolution has 150 years of peer-reviewed literature and millions of pieces of evidence supporting it. It's one of the most highly scrutinised theories in the scientific realm and it has stood the test of time.

The Big Bang Theory is supported by evidence also. The expansion of the Universe is measurable and demonstrable, and conclusions can be drawn from it. The cosmic microwave background radiation is the residual 'heat signature' of the Big Bang, and it is uniform everywhere in the sky that we look. It's the 'echo' of the explosion. It's evidence. It supports the theory.

Science is a self-correcting process. As we learn more, we go back and redefine the theory to better suit it to the new evidence. Unlike 'creation-science' we don't change the evidence to suit the 'theory'. You seem to be getting confused with the terms. The word 'theory' in everyday language translates to 'a guess'. It doesn't mean this in science. In science, a theory is a model that encompasses and explains a whole series of facts and connects everything together. This is why evolution is a powerful theory - it groups literally MILLIONS of pieces of evidence under one roof and it all works! It's fantastic, it's an amazing process. Surely something so incredible is worthy of your omnipotent God's design?

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

Now I know I am going to get a load of crud from people about what i am saying, but that is just fine.. I know what to expect as a believer.... Persecution...

Christians are the majority of the population in the US. They make up 75-80% of it. You can't claim persecution of belief when you're not in the minority. You only see persecution because the science you are presented with doesn't mesh with the world view you have been given by your authority figures. There is no conspiracy here. Belief in God and acceptance of Science can go hand in hand, they aren't mutually exclusive.


Moon-landing hoax: Myth Busted
- 'Lunar Legacy' series by svector
part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5

The moon landing was one of the greatest testaments to human ingenuity and adventurous spirit. To call Buzz Aldrin, Armstrong and the other pilots of the Apollo missions liars is to spit on the work of thousands of people who made that dream a reality (that includes JFK). Give these men and women the respect they deserve by educating yourself.


But if you completely ignore these videos and the points they make, you're only doing yourself a great disservice and reinforcing intellectual dishonesty.

All he did was apologize. There's no need to get mad at him.