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      Atheist=choice, Period.
      Atheists=choice, Period.

      Just like religion=choice, Period.
      Atheists=choice like everything else.
      Right, we quite understand what your viewpoint is now, no need to keep repeating it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      So when did you choose what your skin color was, and where you were born, and who your parents were, and who your siblings were, and what time period you would be born into?

      If that is the premise of your whole argument then I mean... Just leave. You're wasting space and time.
      What does that have to do about Atheistm? stop making BS up to try and have something to say and stick with what we are talking about.

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      Excuse you but you are comparing apples to oranges here.

      No two species of animals think the same. To say that all animals "Can't understand" is... Quite absurd.

      The more we study animals, the more intelligent we see that they are.

      If your entire argument is that you must choose to be atheist then JUST LEAVE. Because you've already lost.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kael Seoras View Post
      Right, we quite understand what your viewpoint is now, no need to keep repeating it.

      Then stop forcing me to repeat. I gave you my belief and you keep trying to come back to the same thing over and over and over again.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      Only animals don't know, or humans if it's beyond their understanding or they don't think about it. They know=maybe not true but knows what it is thus "knowing" part.
      So...all humans except those who don't think about it know there's a God? How would there be atheists if that was the case?

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      The problem isn't that you believe what nonsense you do; The problem is it isn't true.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      Then stop forcing me to repeat. I gave you my belief and you keep trying to come back to the same thing over and over and over again.
      We're trying to understand how you came to your belief. Restating it doesn't accomplish this.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Excuse you but you are comparing apples to oranges here.

      No two species of animals think the same. To say that all animals "Can't understand" is... Quite absurd.

      The more we study animals, the more intelligent we see that they are.

      If your entire argument is that you must choose to be atheist then JUST LEAVE. Because you've already lost.

      So? they don't know what "god" is, and even if they did you will never know unless you can talk to them.

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      So then maybe we should start doing so with Gorillas that know Sign Language?

      Get their opinion on it.

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      Go for it, and tape the whole thing and post it here. All animals aren't Gorrillas btw.

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      Well as of yet they are one of four that we can communicate with...

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      If only gorillas attached human semantics to language huh?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Well as of yet they are one of four that we can communicate with...

      I just ment for the record, not saying you said Gorillas are the only animals.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kael Seoras View Post
      If only gorillas attached human semantics to language huh?

      If only they could talk like us.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      If only they could talk like us.
      Quote Originally Posted by Kael Seoras View Post
      If only gorillas attached human semantics to language huh?
      You guys seriously aren't aware that there are several gorillas and I think a some orangutans that know sign language and are able to competently communicate with humans?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      You guys seriously aren't aware that there are several gorillas and I think a some orangutans that know sign language and are able to competently communicate with humans?
      I know about sign language and them, but not actual talking.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      You guys seriously aren't aware that there are several gorillas and I think a some orangutans that know sign language and are able to competently communicate with humans?
      ...I guess not. How competently?

      I did know about the sign language but have they shown signs of complex language understanding?

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      I know about sign language and them, but not actual talking.
      They can't talk because they don't have the correct muscles in their tongues. (along with other reasons)

      That would be like getting an alien to speak English...not likely. Though you maybe able to have them have an understanding of language. Though it may be limited since their mind is probably composed extremely differently, as apposed to animals on Earth which have minds amazingly similar.

      Meanwhile I said it reminded me of third grade because yous said "so I'm still right" and you keep repeating things as if that is going to make it true.

      Also can we all agree at this point anyway that what you believe is not a choice anyway? You don't get to choose whether you believe in God...if it makes sense to you, then you believe it, if it doesn't, then you don't. That was a fictitious argument in the first place.
      Last edited by Sandform; 05-06-2008 at 03:27 AM.

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      What the fuck happened to this thread.

      Subjective debates on choice.

      I haven't actually seen any evidence for the non-existence of God.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ClouD View Post
      What the fuck happened to this thread.

      Subjective debates on choice.

      I haven't actually seen any evidence for the non-existence of God.
      The only proof for the non-existence of something is no proof of it existing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      The only proof for the non-existence of something is no proof of it existing.
      The sky is blue, because it is not green?

      Perhaps it is blue because that is what we have labeled it.
      Last edited by ClouD; 05-06-2008 at 03:53 PM.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ClouD View Post
      The sky is blue, because it is not green.

      Perhaps it is blue because that is what we have labeled it.
      Please stick to writing poems and tackle logic after you got the basics down.

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      You can't prove a negative, which kind of makes this entire thread a farce.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Korittke View Post
      Please stick to writing poems and tackle logic after you got the basics down.
      I'm sorry that I've used a metaphor beyond your understanding.

      Maybe though, you are choosing what to see in my words.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Yes, ClouD, defining the wavelength we call "Blue" as "Green" would make the sky Green.

      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      I know about sign language and them, but not actual talking.
      ...So people who communicate with sign language aren't actually communicating?

      So what does that make text mediums then?

      Quote Originally Posted by Kael Seoras View Post
      ...I guess not. How competently?

      I did know about the sign language but have they shown signs of complex language understanding?
      Pretty competently actually.

      Basic sentence structure, recognition of certain things and ideas, etc.

      The smartest usually can communicate with the sentence variety and struture as your average nine year old.

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