Thread: A proof for the non-existence of God

Originally Posted by Sandform

Cloud what I was getting onto you about was that you said,

"Atheism is the belief in the lack of a God."

Which is just not true, yes you are an atheist if you believe that, but that is not what Atheism inherently is. The way you said it was as if every Atheist asserts that there is no god, which is just not true. It just means that they have no belief in one existing. Animals are atheists, but do they believe god doesn't exist?

as for Alex, Pardon me for forming posts quickly. I'll never more not stop to check my grammar before having my computer locked out...

How are animals Atheists? they don't even have a clue, to be an atheist is a choice, not "not knowing" thus animals can't be an atheist. Before the whole god thing even started nobody was an atheist, because they did not know, like animals don't know. Atheism is a choice, like i said. If you refuse to believe Atheism is a choice then you have to refuse religion is a choice too.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

How are animals Atheists? they don't even have a clue, to be an atheist is a choice, not "not knowing" thus animals can't be an atheist. Before the whole god thing even started nobody was an atheist, because they did not know, like animals don't know. Atheism is a choice, like i said. If you refuse to believe Atheism is a choice then you have to refuse religion is a choice too.

All that is required to be an Atheist is to have a lack of belief in the supernatural. "Animals don't know." That is exactly my point. They have no belief in the supernatural. They don't disbelieve it (because they don't know) but they don't believe it either.

I fail to see where I said atheism wasn't a choice...

You guys act like animals are some disconnected type of organism from humans...

Originally Posted by Sandform

All that is required to be an Atheist is to have a lack of belief in the supernatural. "Animals don't know." That is exactly my point. They have no belief in the supernatural. They don't disbelieve it (because they don't know) but they don't believe it either.

I fail to see where I said atheism wasn't a choice...

Animals don't have a choice, so they can't be an atheist who have choice.
Lack of belief=choose to believe or not, and not "not knowing" so i rest my case.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Animals don't have a choice, so they can't be an atheist who have choice.
Lack of belief=choose to believe or not, and not "not knowing" so i rest my case.

What are you talking about? If you don't know about something then you have a lack of belief in it. That doesn't mean you have a belief in the lack of it. Animals most certainly are atheist.

You had no case to begin with.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Animals don't have a choice, so they can't be an atheist who have choice.
Lack of belief=choose to believe or not, and not "not knowing" so i rest my case.

Lack of belief and Belief in lack are two different things.

You seem to confuse them.

Well then Atheists don't have a lack of belief, they just don't believe so i am still right.

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If you DON'T believe then you have a LACK of BELIEF.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Well then Atheists don't have a lack of belief, they just don't believe so i am still right.

Lol why does this remind me of third grade?

If you don't believe then you don't believe.

Read slowly.

I shall explain this again:

Not believing in something is the same thing as Not believing in something. When you do not believe in something you show a lack of belief in it.

Gettit?

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lol why does this remind me of third grade?

What does 3rd grade have to do about anything? i guess this is how you roll, don't like what you see and "ZOMG YUO ARE TEH STUPIDCAKEZ@@!!!!!!!".

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Read slowly.

I shall explain this again:

Not believing in something is the same thing as Not believing in something. When you do not believe in something you show a lack of belief in it.

Gettit?

Not believing in something is not believing in something. Lack of belief is not the same....i don't believe in hell, i don't have a lack in belief of hell since everyone says "hell is a place you suffer forever in". I just don't believe it because it sounds like a load of crap, and not because i can't understand it.

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THEN YOU HAVE A LACK OF A BELIEF.

My Flying Spaghetti Monster you are not catching on!

I edited, read what i posted.

You don't believe.

Therefore, you lack belief in it.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

You don't believe.

Therefore, you lack belief in it.

I don't believe because i don't want to believe in it. It's not like say something i have no idea about, something like that i have a lack of belief in because i know nothing about it, not because i choose to not believe it. Obviously my "lack" of belief is not your "lack" of belief.

NO YOU STUPID SHIT!!!

"Lack of belief" is the same as "Not having a belief"!!!

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

NO YOU STUPID SHIT!!!

"Lack of belief" is the same as "Not having a belief"!!!

That's your lack of belief, mine is different. What you call lack of belief i call "don't believe", what i call lack of belief is not knowing...like a dog can't be an atheist because the dog can't know and does not know, it's not a choice like us to "lack" belief in it.

1+2=3

Therefore

3=2+1

It's the same. I've tried to explain that, what, nine times?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

1+2=3

Therefore

3=2+1

It's the same. I've tried to explain that, what, nine times?

Good for you, is my opinion changing because of it? no.

Opinion < Fact

Care to explain how lack of belief is different from not having a belief?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Opinon < Fact

Lack of belief is different.