Thread: A proof for the non-existence of God

Originally Posted by The Fishy

Let me guess -you've been indocrinated into believing science-fiction as to how the world was created, by a cult who you've now donated over $1000 to?

If not, please explain your remarks instead of posting random statements, it's really making people think you're on 24-hour weed intake.

Nope i dont no any cults and if people say god made the world i can say aliens made our world and who is anyone to say im wrong as i have as much proof as people who belive god made the world, even tho i dont belive that any made the world. I dont care what you think about me smoking weed as ur as real as my dream last night.

I didn't know when I posted that you actually smoke weed, I was just pointing out that it would be nicer if you explain your opinion instead of making a random remark as if you were on weed, because then I can understand you. Likewise with my bitter remarks on your actual comment - I don't have any problem with your view, I have a problem with you just posting a statement with no explanation, it's a little annoying.

Originally Posted by The Fishy

I didn't know when I posted that you actually smoke weed, I was just pointing out that it would be nicer if you explain your opinion instead of making a random remark as if you were on weed, because then I can understand you. Likewise with my bitter remarks on your actual comment - I don't have any problem with your view, I have a problem with you just posting a statement with no explanation, it's a little annoying.

Yes i understand it was random and my spelling is not so good.

Originally Posted by SKA

In my Personal view of God, rather detatched from mainstreamreligions, is a Creating force that made Something(existance) out of Nothing(Inexistance).

Therefor I see humans that have imaginairy visions/Dreams (Not from this physical ) and turn them into Paintings and sculptures (Physical Existance) also as Gods. Or at least halfgods.

I really wish people like you would stop calling that God. Why not principle? When you say god it is a complete ripp and just makes my head want to explode because you don't mean god, you mean principle. Unless you think that the "creating force" had to have consciousness.

My personal definition of God is the all. God is everything.

Does everything exist? Yes. Everything exists, and we can all agree on that.

Therefore, we all agree, that my version of God, exists.

Sure, other versions of God, an old man with a beard sitting in heaven, are much harder to prove! But which version is the right version? Who decides which definition of God is the right definition? Are we allowed to pick our own definition? Or are we not allowed to pick or own definition? If we are not allowed to pick our own definition of God, who will define God? Your cat?

If we are allowed to pick our own definition of God, then I don't see how you can argue about his existence before knowing what that person actually means by "God".

Originally Posted by Korittke

Wrong. He's yet another self-proclaimed guru who pukes out unsubstantiated claims about the nature of the human without having shit to back it up.

That is quite amusing. You must have gotten mixed up with somebody else, or in denial of the obvious.

Originally Posted by cannabisman

He may be but he is 1000 times smarter then you will ever be and he knows alot more then you about alot of things.

I don't think either of you two have looked far enough into his work.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Unless you think that the "creating force" had to have consciousness.

The creating force, or Creative Power, is consciousness.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

My personal definition of God is the all. God is everything.

Does everything exist? Yes. Everything exists, and we can all agree on that.

Therefore, we all agree, that my version of God, exists.

Sure, other versions of God, an old man with a beard sitting in heaven, are much harder to prove! But which version is the right version? Who decides which definition of God is the right definition? Are we allowed to pick our own definition? Or are we not allowed to pick or own definition? If we are not allowed to pick our own definition of God, who will define God? Your cat?

If we are allowed to pick our own definition of God, then I don't see how you can argue about his existence before knowing what that person actually means by "God".

This is called pantheism, "God is in everything, everything is God".

Well I have never heard of pantheism, but yeah I guess thats what it is

Originally Posted by Alextanium

This is called pantheism, "God is in everything, everything is God".

Don't forget, "everything is nothing"!

Originally Posted by ClouD

Don't forget, "everything is nothing"!

I think that's atheism.

Originally Posted by Mark75

I think that's atheism.

Atheism is the belief in the lack of a God.

There is no God. Therefore it is Atheism.

It is also every 'religion' and every truth. Which is nothing.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Atheism is the belief in the lack of a God.

There is no God. Therefore it is Atheism.

It is also every 'religion' and every truth. Which is nothing.

/sigh. Your such a tool. Yes there not being a god is one definition of being atheist.

However, that is only because it fits into the REAL description which is the LACK of a belief in God. It means we have no evidence for God, so we do not believe in its existence.

Atheism is NOT a belief. People who are atheists can have beliefs but to be atheist is not to inherently disbelieve in God existing, it means not having a belief in such a god.

You can be agnostic and be an atheist. Most atheists are agnostic, however they don't say agnostic because agnostic sounds like you believe that there ARE things but you don't know what they are, vs. Atheism which means you don't have a belief in things, and it could very well be that there are no things spiritual.

Atheism is like the most stupid invention ever.

Atheist: "Hello, I'm an atheist, my view on life is that I don't believe in God".... em, that makes your view of life revolve around Gods existence doesn't it.

He could as well have said:
"Hello, my view on life is that I don't believe in a flying spaghetti monster".

If you don't believe in God why mention God? What the hell

I don't believe in a flying spaghetti monster, but im not gonna invent some stupid label for it.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Atheism is like the most stupid invention ever.

Atheist: "Hello, I'm an atheist, my view on life is that I don't believe in God".... em, that makes your view of life revolve around Gods existence doesn't it.

He could as well have said:
"Hello, my view on life is that I don't believe in a flying spaghetti monster".

If you don't believe in God why mention God? What the hell

I never say hello i'm an Atheist...your a moron.

And no, an atheists view of life is not ABOUT god not existing, its a view WITHOUT god existing.

I wasn't talking about you, just atheists in general. I didn't know you were an atheist and my apologies if I offended your view on life, but I really think its completely useless. You don't see me going around claiming I don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster. I don't understand why you would want to go around and talk about something you don't believe in.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Atheist: "Hello, I'm an atheist, my view on life is that I don't believe in God".... em, that makes your view of life revolve around Gods existence doesn't it.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I forgot that people were only allowed to have one view on life at a time.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I wasn't talking about you, just atheists in general. I didn't know you were an atheist and and my apologies I offended your view on life, but I really think its completely useless. You don't see me going around claiming I don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster. You're a moron if you go around talking about something you don't believe in.

Again, thats not how it works, your a moron.

Everyone is searching for the truth, except unlike certain theists, we don't restrict ourselves to staying in our little bubble of reality. Atheists explore everything because we want to know what the truth is. We aren't tools who believe in one thing and only one thing.

And no atheist introduces theirself as athiest. We only say athiest because people ask you "what religion are you." So instead of saying, none, we say atheists, so they don't instantly try to convert us.

Outside of places that are literally devoted to talking about views on the supernatural, I rarely ever talk about the supernatural

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Atheism is like the most stupid invention ever.

Atheist: "Hello, I'm an atheist, my view on life is that I don't believe in God".... em, that makes your view of life revolve around Gods existence doesn't it.

He could as well have said:
"Hello, my view on life is that I don't believe in a flying spaghetti monster".

If you don't believe in God why mention God? What the hell

I don't believe in a flying spaghetti monster, but im not gonna invent some stupid label for it.

We didn't 'invent' the label of atheism, the Ancient Greeks did, and it carried over into Latin, then into modern day English.

The pre-fix of 'a-' denotes the negative of the proceeding term:

- 'sexual' vs 'asexual'
- 'symmetrical' vs 'asymmetrical'
- 'typical' vs 'atypical'

And 'theism' (belief in god/s) vs 'atheism' (no belief in god/s). Lack of a belief in the flying spaghetti monster would still be labeled as atheism. It is wrong to assume that atheism is a label specifically for the non-belief in the Christian god, just because it happens to be the most commonly debated one. And congratulations ChaybaChayba, you ARE an atheist whether you like it or not, but with respect to any one of the other 10,000 gods that have been worshiped on Earth since the dawn of humankind. You don't believe in Baal, or Shiva, or Zeus, or Jupiter, or Venus, or Artemis, or Cupid, or Hades, or etc etc etc. You're an atheist with respect to all of them.

your a moron.

It's "you're", as in "you are". If you're going to insult someone's intelligence, it looks better if your own grammar is better than theirs.

Originally Posted by Sandform

/sigh. Your such a tool. Yes there not being a god is one definition of being atheist.

However, that is only because it fits into the REAL description which is the LACK of a belief in God. It means we have no evidence for God, so we do not believe in its existence.

Atheism is NOT a belief. People who are atheists can have beliefs but to be atheist is not to inherently disbelieve in God existing, it means not having a belief in such a god.

You can be agnostic and be an atheist. Most atheists are agnostic, however they don't say agnostic because agnostic sounds like you believe that there ARE things but you don't know what they are, vs. Atheism which means you don't have a belief in things, and it could very well be that there are no things spiritual.

Mark was being literal. So was I in my reply.
I lack the belief that there is a God. Though 'it' does not mean 'we' have no evidence for God, as is subjective and therefore not 'we', but as for you an 'I'.

Atheism is very simply a statement. "I do not believe there is a God or Gods".

This is the fundamental building block of atheism.

Now I am saying - I do not believe there is a God or Gods.

Very literally (as Mark said) that is atheism.

You seem to choose not to grasp this perception.
Perhaps it's where you get off on calling people you think aren't atheists, tools.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Atheist: "Hello, I'm an atheist, my view on life is that I don't believe in God".... em, that makes your view of life revolve around Gods existence doesn't it.

Not neccesarily.

Every person has an ulterior motive to what they do.
Depending on whether someone 'operates' on the 'big picture' scale, or on the 'detailed scale', defines why they do what they do.

Not all people have thought aout God. Many just get caught up in their lives' details.

A lot of people see irrelevance in details though and 'lvl up'* towards the 'bigger picture'.

The general idea of god, is not a detail. It is generally a theory of creation, not the subject of that which is already 'created'.

Religions, their labels, endless arrays of terms and "isms", distract one from the essential Truth; the Essence. It involves false judgment. Then, you can see that people are fighting, arguing and spreading conflict simply by their distractions from the Truth.

Originally Posted by really

Religions, their labels, endless arrays of terms and "isms", distract one from the essential Truth; the Essence. It involves false judgment. Then, you can see that people are fighting, arguing and spreading conflict simply by their distractions from the Truth.

Truth = science and reason, so yeah. You mostly see religious people fuck shit up.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Mark was being literal. So was I in my reply.
I lack the belief that there is a God. Though 'it' does not mean 'we' have no evidence for God, as is subjective and therefore not 'we', but as for you an 'I'.

Atheism is very simply a statement. "I do not believe there is a God or Gods".

This is the fundamental building block of atheism.

Now I am saying - I do not believe there is a God or Gods.

Very literally (as Mark said) that is atheism.

You seem to choose not to grasp this perception.
Perhaps it's where you get off on calling people you think aren't atheists, tools.

Cloud what I was getting onto you about was that you said,

"Atheism is the belief in the lack of a God."

Which is just not true, yes you are an atheist if you believe that, but that is not what Atheism inherently is. The way you said it was as if every Atheist asserts that there is no god, which is just not true. It just means that they have no belief in one existing. Animals are atheists, but do they believe god doesn't exist?

as for Alex, Pardon me for forming posts quickly. I'll never more not stop to check my grammar before having my computer locked out...

Originally Posted by Sandform

as for Alex, Pardon me for forming posts quickly. I'll never more not stop to check my grammar before having my computer locked out...

I wasn't picking on you It's just easier to insult someone when you appear to be on higher ground than they are.