Thread: A proof for the non-existence of God

Originally Posted by The Fishy

But if that's true, it means that in that case the rock IS liftable and so God has failed.

God is omnipotent, thus he can lift an unliftable rock and still have it be unliftable.

Originally Posted by Korittke

God is omnipotent, thus he can lift an unliftable rock and still have it be unliftable.

When you say "unliftable" at the end in this quote, do you mean merely unliftable or unliftable for him? Because if you mean the former definition, the rock is not unliftable, but if you mean the latter definition that "the rock is still unliftable, even for him" than it makes logical sense. Is this claim that God can embody absoloutley all opprotunites in the Bible? Or is it later interpretation? I've never heard of it.

Oh, btw, Elis D. : God doesn't adhere to logic, yes, I think we can agree on that, because it's not logical that there exists an invisible higher being that sees your every thought and is everywhere. But I'm not talking about the concept of god, I'm talking about the specific concept of his omnipotentcy. Are you waving away the logical paradoxes this causes by stating that logic doesn't matter? You are discussing rules religious people live their life by, are you serious posing "it doesn't have to make sense" as a reasonable argument?

Originally Posted by Mark75

Either they believe it or they were just lying. All I can tell you is I'm merely addressing a common view of god via parody by... basically retelling it verbatim as I had heard it so many times.

Because you repeated yourself, you've obviously missed my points.

Originally Posted by The Fishy

There are two acts involved - the creation of the stone that is too heavy for him to lift (act 1), and the lifting of the stone (act 2).

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I'm sorry, but your claims and Cowan's are flawed right from the from the very beginning. This is especially evident in the failure to recognize what you are trying to prove (coupling with what God Really Is).

God is the Almighty and most Powerful; therefore you can draw no line where He can exhaust himself. God is not a separate thing. He is not a man, exclusively. He is All things; He is In the man.

Since God is Omnipotent, not only could he make a stone infinitely heavy, he could make himself, in any way, infinitely powerful to lift it. Whether the stone is heavy is dependent upon two separate issues; one relationship. Therefore this paradox is uselessly irrelevant.

Originally Posted by The Fishy

It is however logical to say if God can lift anything, then he is not capable of making a stone He cannot lift. Because He cannot make a stone He cannot lift, omnipotence is negated."

It is only negated with the misunderstanding that Omnipotence gives Him no ability to make himself infinitely strong.

Originally Posted by The Fishy

Oh, btw, Elis D. : God doesn't adhere to logic, yes, I think we can agree on that, because it's not logical that there exists an invisible higher being that sees your every thought and is everywhere.

Yes, He is logical, but can not be understood with typical, limited logic, I.e. that of lifting rocks.

Originally Posted by The Fishy

But I'm not talking about the concept of god, I'm talking about the specific concept of his omnipotentcy.

It is better to understand one thing before moving on to the next. When you understand the concept of God, your following concept is already explained.

Originally Posted by Dr. David Hawkins, 'Power vs. Force'

"A statement may be true at a high level of understanding, but be incomprehensible to the average mind. Its value may therefore be corrupted when the statement is distorted by the limitations of the listener. This has been the fate of religions throughout the ages when pronouncements originating from high levels of awareness were later misinterpreted by followers vested with authority."

^ I hope this quote is read and understood by everyone. Dr. Hawkins writes books worth everyones eyesight.

Originally Posted by really

^ I hope this quote is read and understood by everyone. Dr. Hawkins writes books worth everyones eyesight.

Wrong. He's yet another self-proclaimed guru who pukes out unsubstantiated claims about the nature of the human without having shit to back it up.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Wrong. He's yet another self-proclaimed guru who pukes out unsubstantiated claims about the nature of the human without having shit to back it up.

He may be but he is 1000 times smarter then you will ever be and he knows alot more then you about alot of things.