Thread: A proof for the non-existence of God

Originally Posted by really

Let's not use logic, this is not a logical matter.

This is positively dripping with irony, I love it.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

^ Then God does not exist.

Which has been repeated over ten to the power of forty-two times five on this forum.

Exactly. There is no God. God is nothing.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Exactly. There is no God. God is nothing.

Not if you think of "god" as a person like people seem to think time and time again.

Originally Posted by ClouD

God does not exist in this universe - mind.

Why?

Originally Posted by ClouD

There is no God. God is nothing.

Why - can you explain, where are these statements coming from?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

^ Then God does not exist.

Which has been repeated over ten to the power of forty-two times five on this forum.

That is a little amount compared to elsewhere.

To know God, is to know nothing.
Knowing, comes from mind. Mind is universe.
Transcend mind - universe, and you find nothing.

Originally Posted by ClouD

To know God, is to know nothing.
Knowing, comes from mind. Mind is universe.
Transcend mind - universe, and you find nothing.

So, knowing God is transcending existence?

Originally Posted by really

So, knowing God is transcending existence?

There is no knowledge of God in transcendence.

Originally Posted by ClouD

There is no knowledge of God in transcendence.

Oh yeah, sorry. I didn't mean to post so carelessly. What you meant was: to transcend existence is to transcend knowledge of God?

Originally Posted by really

Logic isn't accurate here because this isn't a logical matter. What is used instead isn't labeled a "tool", because it is spiritual.

Prove it.

Originally Posted by ClouD

There is no knowledge of God in transcendence.

Sorry... at the same time you mean something else?

Originally Posted by really

Oh yeah, sorry. I didn't mean to post so carelessly. What you meant was: to transcend existence is to transcend knowledge of God?

You grasped that pretty quick...
Rather the other way though.
To transcend knowledge of God is to transcend existence.

edit* and people probably gonna get fishy with us for turning this thread spiritualistic.

Originally Posted by ClouD

To transcend knowledge of God is to transcend existence.

Seeing, moving outward

self, thoughts of I, fade

Grasping ends

Non existant, existing

True freedom

Why do people not like talking in english anymore?

I'd settle for them making sense, in any language.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

Prove it.

A teacher said to Jon, "God is found Within." So Jon went and got a full-body X-Ray scan and later concluded "God doesn't exist".

Originally Posted by ClouD

You grasped that pretty quick...
Rather the other way though.
To transcend knowledge of God is to transcend existence.

Wow.

God, his described bliss and his name, are nothing but echoes in this physical Universe - would you say?

Is nothingness at the beginning of all movement?

But what is left? Why nothing and not everything?

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

edit* and people probably gonna get fishy with us for turning this thread spiritualistic.

No doubt, that is a possibility. Generally curious people will get fishy with something they are not completely aware of.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Seeing, moving outward

self, thoughts of I, fade

Grasping ends

Non existant, existing

True freedom

Can you describe the non-existence, furthermore?

Originally Posted by really

But what is left? Why nothing and not everything?

They are one and the same.

Originally Posted by ClouD

They are one and the same.

I was about to say! Paradoxes...

Originally Posted by really

A teacher said to Jon, "God is found Within." So Jon went and got a full-body X-Ray scan and later concluded "God doesn't exist".

Or the teacher was lying. Or being metaphorical. Or....

Still, tell me, how do I distinguish truth from lies in the absence of logic?

Originally Posted by really

Can you describe the non-existence, furthermore?

The term "non existant" as used in :

Seeing, moving outward

self, thoughts of I, fade

Grasping ends

Non existant, existing

True freedom

... also refers to self.

When one reaches that transcendent state of being, when self surrenders to Self and finally lets go, all thoughts of "me and mine" indiginous to the self subside and fall away. The shackles to the mind are shattered. The term "I " becomes something of an ambiguity, a mere lingual term applying loosely to the shell, the form that "others" associate with in relation to themselves. It is used in language for the mere benefit of those who still percieve themselves as seperate so as they can understand the point of reference. The term " I " becomes more to the point of all inclusive to one who is free as such.

Non existance, in the sense used, refers to one who exists without seeing ones Self as being seperate from all that is being seen, witnessed, experienced.

Unless one experiences/realizes this themselves, using mere words to describe it fall short of conveying true meaning.
It is a paradox of sorts, but only for those who grasp firmly to the idea of themselves in the frame of mind of a seperate , stand alone "me", seeing everything else as seperate from them.

Originally Posted by really

Do you have any questions?

I really don't. I don't even know how I could properly respond to what you'd said. You told me I was wrong in my assumption, but I was just going by what certain many people say about their god. Either they believe it or they were just lying. All I can tell you is I'm merely addressing a common view of god via parody by... basically retelling it verbatim as I had heard it so many times.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

Or the teacher was lying. Or being metaphorical. Or....

Don't bother, you could go on like that forever.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

Still, tell me, how do I distinguish truth from lies in the absence of logic?

Are you implying that logic is a "lie-detector"!?

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

The term "non existant" as used in :




... also refers to self.

When one reaches that transcendent state of being, when self surrenders to Self and finally lets go, all thoughts of "me and mine" indiginous to the self subside and fall away. The shackles to the mind are shattered. The term "I " becomes something of an ambiguity, a mere lingual term applying loosely to the shell, the form that "others" associate with in relation to themselves. It is used in language for the mere benefit of those who still percieve themselves as seperate so as they can understand the point of reference. The term " I " becomes more to the point of all inclusive to one who is free as such.

Non existance, in the sense used, refers to one who exists without seeing ones Self as being seperate from all that is being seen, witnessed, experienced.

Unless one experiences/realizes this themselves, using mere words to describe it fall short of conveying true meaning.
It is a paradox of sorts, but only for those who grasp firmly to the idea of themselves in the frame of mind of a seperate , stand alone "me", seeing everything else as seperate from them.

Thanks for that, every part helps.

Originally Posted by Mark75

I really don't. I don't even know how I could properly respond to what you'd said.

No interest? Why do you think so?

Originally Posted by Mark75

You told me I was wrong in my assumption, but I was just going by what certain many people say about their god. Either they believe it or they were just lying. All I can tell you is I'm merely addressing a common view of god via parody by... basically retelling it verbatim as I had heard it so many times.

Making assumptions as you did, takes you further from the true essence of your interest.

Originally Posted by really

Are you implying that logic is a "lie-detector"!?

Logic has a history of detecting that, when people tell me the sky is green, or that I can buy something off ebay that will increase the size of my penis by 70%, they are lying.

Now answer the question.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

Logic has a history of detecting that, when people tell me the sky is green, or that I can buy something off ebay that will increase the size of my penis by 70%, they are lying.

Now answer the question.

If people tell you the sky is green, you can look up.
Then you can decide whether you have been mistaking blue with green your whole life; if you are the only one that sees truth, or if they are lying.

Logic is the process that you use to choose an option.

Whatever option you choose, you can not know if you are correct or wrong.

Originally Posted by really

Making assumptions as you did, takes you further from the true essence of your interest.

Either they believe it or they were just lying. All I can tell you is I'm merely addressing a common view of god via parody by... basically retelling it verbatim as I had heard it so many times.