Thread: Do you believe Popeye exists in reality?

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

The intelligence was BS, even you know that. It was falsified, there are a million billion books published about how the intellignce was BS. Bush even stopped talking about those reasons as much as possible because he knows the evidence was BS. Most of his cabinet have issued statements admitting that their goal was the create a reason to go into Iraq. There's as much evidence for WMDs in this nation as for Pop-eye.

Why in the world do you want to argue about this yet again and in the Religion forum of all places? The Clinton Administration argued that the regime had WMD's long before most of the country even knew who George W. Bush was. Our intelligence came from several other governments and certain officials at the U.N. along with the CIA. It was not just made up out of the blue by Bush.

Take this to one of the Iraq threads in Extended Discussion if you want to continue with this dead horse.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Popeye is a real thought, therefore he exists in reality, not as a thought, but as pop-eye. Gravity exists in reality, even though its still just a thought. Everything that exists in reality that you can't see in front of you exists as a thought. Theory on what you think existence is, nothing more. Pop-eye is as real as the moon and the sun and my carpet because in the end they'll always still just be ideas. You can't get outside of your thoughts and see the world for what it is, you'll always just have your thoughts, conclusions based on information your senses have collected.

So, nothing exists outside of thought? I disagree. Real things that are not just thoughts are at the root of the brain activity that causes thoughts, and the images of our perceptions are based on real things that exist outside of thoughts.

If I have a thought of the fact that your post is false, does that mean the false nature of your post exists in reality?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

So, nothing exists outside of thought? I disagree. Real things that are not just thoughts are at the root of the brain activity that causes thoughts, and the images of our perceptions are based on real things that exist outside of thoughts.

If I have a thought of the fact that your post is false, does that mean the false nature of your post exists in reality?

I'm not saying truth doesn't exist, I'm saying that thoughts are as real as matter is, it just exists as a subtlety. But how do you know subtleties aren't real? If you can imagine popeye in your brain, doesn't that make him real?

We spend our lifetimes trying to rationalize bizarre shit, editting our perspectives with every thought. As they develop we create a theory of the universe in our heads. Everybody's is slightly unique, based on their life experiences and the information they have gathered.

But you live here, where is here? You spend your time in only two levels of existence, the physical realm and your dreams. It is essentially the perceiver and the perceived. We can perceive things from anywhere, our imaginations, our senses, whatever, all that has to take place is that we are aware of something we consider distinct from ourselves.

So what kind of egotistical idiot could claim that he knows one god damned thing about what's real and what's not when all he has is a collection of things that he's perceived. Infinite means everything, it means every possible form existence is taking place somewhere at some time in some level of existence. Time doesn't have a beginning, nor an end. Consciousness has existed forever, life has existed for ever. There are probably a billion different universes with a billion different types of physical laws that the beings there have to obey. Probably? How could there possibly not be?

What, this thread is still going? I thought I ended it with the picture evidence.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I'm saying that thoughts are as real as matter is, it just exists as a subtlety. But how do you know subtleties aren't real? If you can imagine popeye in your brain, doesn't that make him real?

Then what is your answer to this question...

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

If I have a thought of the fact that your post is false, does that mean the false nature of your post exists in reality?

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Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

So what kind of egotistical idiot could claim that he knows one god damned thing about what's real and what's not when all he has is a collection of things that he's perceived. Infinite means everything, it means every possible form existence is taking place somewhere at some time in some level of existence. Time doesn't have a beginning, nor an end. Consciousness has existed forever, life has existed for ever. There are probably a billion different universes with a billion different types of physical laws that the beings there have to obey. Probably? How could there possibly not be?

Are you sure?

If Popeye doesn't exist in reality, where does Popeye exist?

You want there to be some concrete truth that escapes outside of the mind, but consciousness is all we have. Absolutely everything comes from consciousness. My sense of logic can't understand an infinite universe, but a finite universe is just far too depressing an idea for me to face.

I think your first mistake is to believe that consciousness and matter are two separate entities. All matter really is, is energy on a very low vibrational field, so why can't evergy be consciousness on a lower vibrational field?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Then the Great Pumpkin exists.

linus said there were 3 things not to discuss with people
politics
religion
and the great pumpkin.

this is about to become a very controversial thread if we have to bring the great pumpkin into this

oh and I have more proof popeye exists

Impudent blasphemer.

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

linus said there were 3 things not to discuss with people
politics
religion
and the great pumpkin.

this is about to become a very controversial thread if we have to bring the great pumpkin into this

oh and I have more proof popeye exists

Are you saying

Originally Posted by kingofclutch

What are you guys talking about? Of course he is real! I got a picture of him right here.

Is not the true Popeye?

Bluto will crush you.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

You want there to be some concrete truth that escapes outside of the mind, but consciousness is all we have. Absolutely everything comes from consciousness. My sense of logic can't understand an infinite universe, but a finite universe is just far too depressing an idea for me to face.

I think your first mistake is to believe that consciousness and matter are two separate entities. All matter really is, is energy on a very low vibrational field, so why can't evergy be consciousness on a lower vibrational field?

I was asking for the answers to my questions. Try not to dodge.

I'm not dodging, that is a dumbword for, "How can I pull things out of context in order to create a strawman?"

I'm providing context for my answers, assuming the answer is implied.

So, what I'm saying is you create a universe with your mind, so in your universe, if you believe my post is wrong, it is. But the universe is always changing, and as more information comes up, it can alter your opinion and change your universe.

Why would more information come in? Because its a joint project, we make it together, so our realities are essentially bumping into each other all the time and the result is this coexistential reality in which truths clash.

It's not that there is no truth, just that there is no false.

I think I lost IQ points just reading this thread.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

It's not that there is no truth, just that there is no false.

What if I think there is?

Originally Posted by The Enterer

I think I lost IQ points just reading this thread.

Well, at least when you read it you are not reading You Tube comments and hitting an even lower level.

tru dat

do you believe that Popeye does not exist in reality?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What if I think there is?

That's why we're having this conversation, our realities are bumping into each other and as a consequence we're forced to argue out our sense of logic and reason in order to accomodate the situation. In other words, our sense of reality is in jeopardy, and we have to conceptualize something that integrates both realities.

Even in choosing to simply believe your ideas are true ideas are my ideas are false ideas, you are still integrating my reality with yours.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

That's why we're having this conversation, our realities are bumping into each other and as a consequence we're forced to argue out our sense of logic and reason in order to accomodate the situation. In other words, our sense of reality is in jeopardy, and we have to conceptualize something that integrates both realities.