Jesus an Alien/Time traveler?

[cuddleyperson]

Ok i know this is going to sound ridiculous but i've always pondered this. Ok so the three Wise men were following a new star, could this have been a spaceship? Mary miraculously pregnant, could it be Alien implantation. Ok the above is more far fetches but Jesus himself said he spoke in parables to the common men or something along those lines. Suggesting that humans at the timer wouldn't understand what he knew. Also he supposedly carried out many miracles such as healing the sick, even curing death. Also he walked on water and other "miracles". Then in the Bible there are also other events like the parting of the Red Sea, could advanced technology be involved there. Then there's the fact Moses got the commandments from the top of the mountain, God was in the form of a cloud. Could this be a spaceship in hiding( if you've ever watched Stargate, Thors Chariot hid in cloud)? Also i believe Moses's hair became white after the event, could this be a side effect of something he was exposed to, such as a form of radiation for example. Not sure about any other evidence, that's just what springs to mind. I'm assume i will be laughed out of R/S... But just post your opinions.

[Scatterbrain]

Heh. Makes more sense than him being a magic zombie. Someone said that much more advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Imagine if we showed a flashlight to people 200 hundred years go.

[wasup]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor (i.e. it was all made up)

[Patrick]

I've always thought this was a possibility too. More likely than there being a 'real' God, in my opinion, anyway. All makes sense.

[dragonoverlord]

My opinon is the events in the bible either never happend or they are greatly exagerated. Christianity is like roman mythology and norse mythology the only difference is people still beleive in chirstianity. Now you might be on to something here according to some video i saw they claim Christianity and by implication Judaism is based on star worship. SO i dunno maybe aleins have had a hand in it. Its just as valid as any other theory maybe more. The video claims the 3 wise men are actually a constillation in the sky, i can't remember much after that.

[Abra]

Best. Theory. EVAR. 10/10

[sam dreamer]

that doesnt sound any more silly then some super being created the world in 7 days now does it ? And they still dont no were some of the piramids and places like stone henge came from. plus they must be life in space im not sure if or what is out there but something is

[Phydeaux_3]

Chris De Burgh's song A Spaceman Came Travelling from the album Spanish Train And Other Stories (1975!) presents that exact scenario. If you've never heard it check it out, it's a beautiful song.

[Phydeaux_3]

Someone said that much more advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Imagine if we showed a flashlight to people 200 hundred years go. Exactly! Arthur C. Clarke said that. He only just passed away on March 19, what a profound loss for this World. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." (Clarke's 3rd "law")

[*cheyenne*]

Jesus - an alien or time traveller - possibly, but more likely he is a symbol of the pagan sun-god - hence the halo over his and Mary's head.

[juroara]

there is less evidence supporting secretive alien advanced technology then there is supporting mind over matter the pyramids aren't a mystery we know who built them - HUMANS BUILT THEM Jesus did speak in parables to the common man but he expanded all things to his more devoted followers. We also have a good idea of what this is because there are texts outside of the bible. Such as Mary Magdalene's gospel. If Jesus was telling all things to his disciples, he would have told them he was an alien and there are space ships. But he said no such thing. Instead what he told them was that God is in you. You are suggesting that such godly powers, such as healing, is not possible without inherent advanced technology. But this is in direct opposition with what Jesus taught. What Jesus taught was all things are possible THROUGH GOD THROUGH YOU. There is no middle man needed, not even the middle man known as technology. There already is a religion going on today, called Ashtar Command that believes Jesus right now is on a space ship flying across the galaxy. And that all powers described in Christianity, are simply the works of advanced technology at the hands of aliens. http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/t...ar_command.htm Here when Ashtar Command followers pray to Jesus (to be taken aboard the spaceships) they do not say his name, Jesus Christ. They say, Prince Sananda. A reference to Sananda Maitreya. This goes against nearly every spiritual community today, that will say Jesus will not go by any other name, other than Jesus. And that Maitreya and Jesus are two different people, and that Maitraya goes by Maitreya as well and not prince sananda. If some being says "Hey! I'm Jesus Christ! But..shhhh...don't call me that. Call me, uh, JoJo." Then it's not Jesus. While, spiritually speaking it would be wrong to say there is no such thing as aliens, since we can't be the only 'souls' in existence. However, there is a great evil at work. Why? Ashtar Command is still a spiritual belief like Christianity, in that there is a thing called the soul, called spirits, angels, and God. However, Ashtar Command promotes the idea that even angels are powerless to do anything without technology. Technology. Technology. Technology. It is a denial of mind over matter. It is a denial of the real creative power called, consciousness. Energy is power. Consciousness is energy. Technology however has shown us, that the human consciousness affects every aspect of the body. And now we have new studies concerning the human thought over a single atom. But anyways, I'm not here to prove something, but rather talk about the belief of aliens when spirituality is concerned. ************************* Ashtar Command is a new age religion - and new age is very diverse. Though all new age is about raising the consciousness. However, Ashtar is the least of these because it teaches aliens are going to save you, its okay if you don't raise your consciousness on time. In SOME new age beliefs, one day - maybe a hundred years for now when the age of Aquarius has finally started, earth will ascend into the 5th dimension. Since this is a higher dimension, it is a dimension of higher energy, higher frequency - which means, a dimension of higher consciousness. Gurus will tell you, you can experience the 5th dimension, right now, if you so choose to just by raising your consciousness in meditation. Thing is, if your consciousness is not raised - you do not experience the 5th dimension. Because these dimensions aren't really places - they are just states of being. The age of Aquarius doomsday warning is - if you do not raise your consciousness - you can not be in the 5th dimension. What this means, I don't know. But it doesn't matter because new age is generally optimistic and believes the large majority will raise their consciousness in the age of Aquarius. Only 'new' people to new age think its about doomsday. It's not. It's about a golden age on earth. So how do you raise your consciousness?? New age is not new when it comes to this. It is old, and ancient in its methods. M E D I T A T E. New age relies on what buddha or christ taught us, concerning prayer and meditation. Now, Ashtar Command is constantly warning their followers that when the earth ascends into the 5th dimension - EVERYTHING ON EARTH WILL DIIIIIEEEEEEEE. Everyone left on earth, WILLL DIE. So, rather than walking the spiritual path yourself, you instead piss your pants and scream "BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!" .... This is the entire focus of the Ashtar Command. ALIENS SAVING YOU FROM DOOMSDAY. Yet it says very little, about picking up the cross, carrying the mantle, and walking the spiritual path for yourself. No. Aliens are not coming to save you. And while I understand this thread wasn't so serious, I wanted to point out there are already many, many, many, many people who already believe in this alien-spiritual business. yet the real message of Christ is to accept that God is in you. Stop looking for a God outside yourself somewhere in the sky, whether in the disguise as an angry god figure or alien spaceships. Do not forget that Jesus tells you that the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU. You need neither a church, a priest, or an alien space ship to reach it. http://ashtarcommandtruth.com/page3.html http://www.new-visions.com/articles/ashtar.html "Then Ashtar tossed in his bombshell. The world was going to end on December 21, 1954, he announced convincingly. North America was going to split in two, and the Atlantic coast would sink into the sea. France, England and Russia were also slated for a watery grave. However, all was not lost. A few chosen people would be rescued by spaceships. Naturally Dr. Laughead and his friends were among that select group. Dr. Laughhead made sober declarations to the press and on December 21, 1954 he and a group of his fellow believers clustered together in the garden to await rescue ... and waited. And waited. And waited!" Again, I understand you weren't talking about Ashtar Command. But again I felt the need to point out how many people already believe in something similar, if not THOUSANDS, and how it has strayed them away from the path that no one can walk for you. I pity them more than I pity fundies http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/view...php?f=6&t=1073 <- divine messages are not new to new age, but never before have they ordained that killing is okay http://www.thelightside.org/EARSite/ears_lea_ufos.html Lea is an alien on a spaceship being channeled through a human on earth. just thought id mention, here it is, people believing in aliens in the bible. there you go. do you want to be among them? http://www.thelightside.org/EARSite/lea.html ****************** BANANAS

[Sornaensis]

Occam's Razor makes religion fail naturally. And this is an ADDITION to religion, so that's double failure.

[cuddleyperson]

^^ wahhhhhhhh Ah well it makes just as much sense as anything else. If you want me to believe Jesus did all these miracles, i'm taking the alien stance or time traveler one( alien preferably), ......or just that Jesus had a good knowledge of various healing plants( willow bark etc)

[Sornaensis]

But does not the latter take the simpler route?

[cuddleyperson]

yes sorry i kind of meant to say i'd go with that first

[juroara]

^^ wahhhhhhhh Ah well it makes just as much sense as anything else. If you want me to believe Jesus did all these miracles, i'm taking the alien stance or time traveler one( alien preferably), ......or just that Jesus had a good knowledge of various healing plants( willow bark etc) then why would Jesus only heal people if they believed they could be healed? or rather, why would Jesus infer he can not heal them unless they had faith, as if faith is necessary for healing? and why today, still in christianity you can't be healed unless you have faith it will work? you need to consider mind over matter. it's the placebo affect at work. those people healed themselves.

[Sornaensis]

...None of which has been proven? Medicine & Religion = Fail. Period.

[Grod]

I think Dreamhope11 came up with this a while ago..

[The Doctor]

Neither an Egyptian pharoah. I believe that the story of Akhenaten was used together with the story of Jesus the anti Roman activist to create a new set of beliefs that would enable the 2nd Century Roman emperor/pope Constantine to unite all the countries Rome had conquered by this time. If you research a little about Egyptian Pharoahs you will discover they were thought to be the son of god (god being Ra) who when they died would be reserructed and ascend to the heavens to pave the way for the people. The virgin mother is a delibrate confusion of the legend of Isis, anyone seen the madonna and child statue and Isis and child statue, very similar aren't they? And the Virgin birth well when an old Pharoah died the heir to the kingdom would have to wait before taking the throne as the new Pharoh until a certain star appeared in the sky, then over a period of days this would then dissapear by dipping below the horizon, and re-emerge a few days later (a regular annual occurance that takes place during the house of Virgo (yes Virgo the Virgin) once this happened the new pharoah would then be crowned so to speak and he would no longer be considered human but reborn as the son of god and transcend to the level of a living god.

[wasup]

or rather, why would Jesus infer he can not heal them unless they had faith, as if faith is necessary for healing? and why today, still in christianity you can't be healed unless you have faith it will work? True story: I know a Christian who once got stitches with no faith involved. No joke!

[psychology student]

True story: I know a Christian who once got stitches with no faith involved. No joke! No? (Sarcasm)

[juroara]

True story: I know a Christian who once got stitches with no faith involved. No joke! I was talking about THOUGHTS. Not physical actions. Good one. Learn to read. if you payed attention to the verses, Jesus could heal a person just by looking at them - that means - no physical action involved. I was merely pointing out the power of the human mind to heal itself. we already know if a person BELIEVES they are taking medicine, and BELIEVES this medicine will do A. Then, A, happens. the placebo affect is real. I am not talking about Jesus' thoughts healing people. I am talking about the thoughts of the person, their faith alone, healing themselves. A similar affect was noted back in the day when people believed in curses. If someone really believed if you curse them and they would die right there on the spot - then they died right there on the spot when the curse was uttered. The curse didn't kill them. Rather, we can imagine they believed so much in this curse they died from a heart attack when the words of doom were uttered. Today people don't really believe in curses, but every now and then the medical field finds someone with unusual pains and aches happening for no reason. And a lot of times the conclusion is "its all in your head".

[LucidDreamGod]

Theres a book that mentions this, it's written by a guy who swore that he got abducted by aliens, in the book the aliens show him that some things written in the bible were done by them, and the pyrimids were also created by them along with several others, one is now sopposively under the ocean, the book has nothing that contradicts modern science so far. theres actually proof in some other's stories, such as some kid who claimed to have a past life, that relates to a pryimid that has not been found yet. It's called the Thioouba prophecy or journey to the 9th planet, I don't know if I believe it really, some things don't make as much sense as one would expect, but it's non the less very interesting, and you can't help but wonder it may be true, we never know . And if you don't believe it it's still an interesting fiction book, with interesting theorys to why things are.

[juroara]

Theres a book that mentions this, it's written by a guy who swore that he got abducted by aliens, in the book the aliens show him that some things written in the bible were done by them, and the pyrimids were also created by them along with several others, one is now sopposively under the ocean, the book has nothing that contradicts modern science so far. theres actually proof in some other's stories, such as some kid who claimed to have a past life, that relates to a pryimid that has not been found yet. It's called the Thioouba prophecy or journey to the 9th planet, I don't know if I believe it really, some things don't make as much sense as one would expect, but it's non the less very interesting, and you can't help but wonder it may be true, we never know . And if you don't believe it it's still an interesting fiction book, with interesting theorys to why things are. there is a similar theory going around, in the new age, that also talks about how aliens have influenced the history of man kind in every way shape and form - including the pyramids however the story is different once upon a time, some alien home worlds, BLEW UP, because they were worse than humans when it came to controlling their temper and technology. like humans, they have a soul that needed to walk the ladder of reincarnation. but now that they have no home world, they had no planet to be reborn on. so, since the alien souls were similar in nature to humans - were brought over to start over their lives again as humans. according to the little story - the souls did not intermingle as well as the divine powers would have liked. You can see a clear difference in cultures. The alien humans were very concerned with the heavens, astrology, and advancing technology. The earthling humans were very concerned with the earth and being one with it. The difference between Native Americans and Mayans for example. When the alien-humans were first born here, they remembered very much of their home world. Through their memories they recreated as much as they could, and was partly why they were so focused on the heavens *the mayans, the egyptians* to honor the memory of these home worlds which they seemed to love more than their new ones. This did two things, according to the story (which I stress because I am not presenting this fun myth as fact) 1. These alien-humans felt more superior than the earthling-humans. Racism ensues. And they feel, only more pure, diviner blood lines were worthier of knowing the knowledge of the heavens. Thus we get religions with a greater sense of hierarchy "were divine, you're not. I'm like a god compared to you." versus the earthling religions that were more focused on honoring the mother earth, as equals. 2. When they first descended and could remember their home worlds - they were able to achieve things that would seem impossible for the current technology of the time. Some of their civilizations have yet to be discovered as far as we know. but they would show technology, so ancient, that it would be unearthly impossible according the development of mankind. I mean, technology showing evidence of flying vessels in the time of the stone age. But the reason why, we haven't found, or never will find, some of these more ancient than ancient civilizations is because they were destroyed. And they were destroyed, in this story, by divine powers protecting to earth who did not want the earth to be self destructed by this alien technology. Atlantis for one example, but that is only one of many alien inspired civilizations that were destroyed. so again according to the story, no alien technology was involved in the production of mans ancient mysteries. at least, not technology that hailed from the stars. rather, it was technology built by humans remembering their ancestry in the stars. however. reincarnation does its job. and slowly, and surely, over time, these souls don't remember their ancestry in their stars and rely on their scriptures, drawings and writings on the wall. and while, some of their ancient technology continued into other great cultures, such as the egyptians - without the memories of their home worlds, the technology ceases to advance, and all transforms into mysticism carried out by religion. there are many people today, who believe they are alien souls. the story continues on today, with aliens visiting people saying "hey hey, we built them pyramids!" but really, they didn't. no 'aliens' built anything according the story. because all the aliens in our neighborhood either died or were never in physical form to begin with. every civilization on earth, was built with HUMAN hands. again, according to this story UFOlogy is confused. It thinks there might be physical human-alien hybrids walking around on the earth. the new age idea is, there are no human-alien hybrids, this is a misunderstanding of the alien soul being reincarnated as a human via earthling human parents. the story then continues on to the planets in our neighborhood, astrology and paganism-meets-new age. a lot of amazing characters in our history, including Jesus, are alien spirits. In this case, Jesus soul hails from Venus. Venus is still today, an active planet with enlightened beings and civilizations - however - they aren't in the physical. The aliens on Venus are spiritual, or astral. And many have chosen to be born as humans to help us along the way, since spirits can not physically help us. Which is partly why, it is the planet of love. "venusians" only want the best for us. but all of this stuff, while fun to think about can hardly be proven. and as far as new age goes, it really doesn't matter anyways. because the only life time you should be concerned with is this one, and not some past alien life time.